Musashi was multiple times Japan Grand Prix champion and was World Grand Prix Champion, if thats second rate who is first rate?
comparing an mma striker to a boxing striker is like comparing mayweathers takedown ability to randy coutures. MMA has some of the worst striking ive ever seen by top competitors, which makes sense cuz its not just about striking and you can get to the top without it. that being said.... so he can at least hang on the feet long enough to either get it to the ground or clinch for some knees or use leg kicks from a distance. kinda like randy did with liddel in their last fight? or chuck did with jackson their last fight? fact is right now in UFC, crude strikers (and yes... i dont care what anyone says, jackson and chuck are crude strikers compared to even mayorga imo) are the dominant fighters around the 200lb weight class.... and i would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see chuck, or hell even rampage, take mayweathers offer and fight a top cruiserweight like mormeck in the UFC. rampage, chuck, or imo randy wont make it out of the first. then boxers can come back to boxing where the real warriors go.
boxing will never be dead imo... because it will always have its place due to people like me, and the others on this board. i actually knew UFC first, my first ufc experiance was ufc 6, i love mma, and i trained in it from a boy to adulthood.... but when i experianced boxing, in all its glory, there was no contest. but... that being said, boxing isnt dead, but it is getting beat up... cotto vs judah i guess barely did over 200,000 buys? that is crazy... i know that cotto isnt THAT well known and judah has been a loser as of late, but still... everyone knew that that fight ment fireworks and was a no miss xplosive fight. and it did that number? its just because boxing isnt getting itself out there like mma is... plain and simple, i dont REALLY think it has much to do with the product. just promotion.
its all good man, me and guys that think mma guys would beat boxers will always have to agree to disagree. and i just wanted, for the record, to make sure you know i was joking about the whole 'real warriors' thing... both types of the fighting have their warriors. i just am talking ****
Chuck Lidell's strategy is typically called, by the MMA community, "Sprawl and Brawl". Every good MMA fighter understands that in a real right scenario there are three phases of combat. Every good MMA fighter knows that in order to win a fight, it is their job to place the fight in the phase which gives them the greatest advantage over their opponent. The three phases of combat are 1) the standup phase 2) the clinch phase and 3) the ground phase. In most fights, Chuck Lidell (who I know is a wrestling expert and I think is a blue belt in jiu jitsu) has the biggest advantage in the standup phase. He KEEPS the fight in this phase by his great sprawling skill. It seems against a pure pro-boxer he would take the fight to a phase where he would be clearly dominant (the ground phase) and beat the boxer there. If chuck doesn't win the MMA fight against the boxer, it is because Chuck is too prideful to fight smart, and not because he can't.
Like I said. . . when the #1 p4p boxer is a coward that doesnt even try to back up his big mouth. . . its no wonder MMA is taking over.
The first bold statement is absolutely rediculous, Mayweather has absolutely no takedown ability or defense, whereas MMA fighters at least train some striking, yes its not as good as a boxers for obvious reasons, but it is at least part of the training. A top Cruiserweight huh? How about a WBF world champion cruiserweight Yosuke Nishijima? Not the best Cruiserweight ever or anything, but clearly a highly skilled boxer, probably the most accomplished to ever cross over. Lets take a look at how he has done This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected His fight against Phil Baroni (how most fights between a boxer with no grappling and an MMA fighter would go) http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Nishijima/video/xneds_yosuke-nishijima-vs-phil-baroni His fight against Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos, an extremely wild striker, seemingly the one type of MMA figther that would be custom made for a pro boxer....well he outstruck Nishijima who seemed a bit clueless when Cyborg put him in the clinch and started kneeing away, and then took him down and choked him unconscious. http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Nishijima/video/xdpfp_yousuke-nishijima-vs-evangelista-cy His other two fights, which he deserves a little more credit for, as he was fighting bigger guys. Mark Hunt, a Kickboxer, and Yoshida, an Judo guy. http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Nishijima/video/x104k4_mark-hunt-vs-yosuke-nishijima http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Nishijima/video/x1qhbo_hidehiko-yoshida-vs-yosuke-nishijim So there you have it, Floyd's dream of a good cruiserweight in MMA has already been tested, and destroyed.
Boxing isn't going die. It's certainly hurting a bit, but that's not due to the lack of excitement that it generates, or lack of fans. It's b/c promoters don't know how to put on a good card or is too cheap to put on a good card, lack of free national media exposure for it's starts, and the sanctioning bodies are corrupt. I'm glad that UFC/MMA is out there to give it some comp. This is only a good thing to the fans who are consumers of boxing events. The more popular MMA is, the more the promoters and such for boxing will have to do to compete. It's a free market baby, competition is always welcomed. Especially, for the consumers.
