Is Usyk a top 10 HW of all time...?

Chisora was not close at all lol Chisora had a few good rounds and then tired and it was all Usyk maybe 2-3 rounds for Chisora at best. 2nd Joshua was 8-4 at best.

 

Imagine relying on biased judges scorecard and faulty stats instead of your own eyes. Round by round was 8-4 if you actually know how to score a fight. Why don't you show your rbr scoring and I can show mine and we can compare and I can show you why you're wrong.

 

Thistle, I love your post. I held off replying until I saw the fight. I will admit to not being awed by the heavyweight scene as of late and I am aware of how people jump on these fighters as the greatest. I recall in the not too distant past hearing about Dillian White being the best thing today until Povetkin knocked him out and they unashamedly then jumped on the Povetkin bandwagon until he was KO'd by White in the rematch. Fans can be fickle. Having said that, I have seen both Fury and Usyk in the past and have been underwhelmed but gave this a look see when I saw this thread. I will be honest, two of the most ordinary heavyweights I've seen in some time. Fury is like a caricature of a fighter from a Jerry Lewis movie. Complete with his trunks up to his nipples. He throws punches out of position, only twice did I see him throw a lead right to his southpaw opponent and possesses the dexterity of Abe Simon. Usyk isn't much better. There is not one thing I can say that he excels at. When he moved to heavyweight I was glad to see a smaller heavyweight arrive and take it to these behemoths. But it doesn't change the fact that he is an ordinary heavyweight who is benefitting from a bleak division. I'll keep watching though. Maybe something he does will shake me from these heavyweight doldrums.

 

Put Usyk in a bkack and white film. Fury fot that mattrer and watch the rose glasses come off.

Then rhey would be in the running for GOAT.

Fighters are fighters no matter what mythical golden age people bull**** say.

 

Nothing to do with B&W film, nor Coloured either...

It is about Skill, Finese and Boxing Craft, which has shown in nearly every age, and in some of those Era's exceedingly well.

These HWs are Not Special and it is so visible clear, the only sense that can be afforded fans is there attachment to this great internet age, so everything must be better, has to be.

ah No.

When Mike Tyson broke into the scene he was visible gifted, talented and powerful like few others, but the important part about it was, it was Visble Clear.

Just the same as its visibly clear, TF and Usyk are NOT.

and to the person that is trying to make a case for superiority based on Height, Reach and Weight, size has FA to do with skill, which if a fighter is special, that is visibly clear irrespective of Size.

Good men undoubtedly, Great Boxers or Fighters Not!

 

35 year old Fury was coming off a terrible and disputed 10-round split decision over a 37 year old who had never competed in any official boxing matches before, an MMA fighter who had not even competed in MMA for a couple of years. Put Fury on his backside and ran him close. Before that (we going back to 2022 now), Fury had received a lot of criticism for selecting 39 year old Chisora as a challenger.

Dubois was a 25 year old. He had not done anything special up to that point, but he wasn't struggling with MMA fighters. And since losing to Usyk, from his next fight onwards, he's shown himself to be legitimate world class.

A stoppage win over an up-and-coming 25 year old contender is better than winning a split decision over a fat semi-retired 35 year old who struggles with old guys making their boxing debut and hasn't had a good win in years.

 

I'd take Smith and Witherspoon to beat AJ man. Bruno was only beaten by good fighters, and again, does it matter who beat whom and when? Styles make fights and for me, Bruno's attributes are all wrong for AJ. A heavy handed come forward finisher with a ramrod jab...sound familiar? I honestly think history is somewhat unkind to Bruno who would be a handful for most heavyweights in his prime.

 

I aleays thought thought Bruno was a huge, stiff but powerful robot. His enitre reputation was built on staggering Tyson. Big deal. Tyson got KTFO so many rimes I cannot be arsed to list it, sorry casuals.

Gary Mason was better than Frank.

If Bruno hurt Holy or even old Foreman then it would impress me.

 

And what actually happened is that Usyk clearly beat skilled super heavyweights that were way bigger then him, an impressive feat that almost no one else in the heavyweight division has been able to replicate, everything else is just subjective opinions and window-dressing.

 

Usyk is missing a win over Parker (who would have defeated Dubois).
Parker is TOP 3 of the "Fury era".
If he beats Dubois, then Usjko needs one more win over Dubois (to resolve the "low blow" controversy).
If at that moment he retires "Rocky Marciano style" Imho Usyk is TOP 10 ATG HW.
I just voted for the TOP 15.

 

They weren't close, competitive sure but not close.

 

I didn't think Chisora was close at all. AJ rematch was fairly close, but any card giving that to AJ is really bad imo and I was rooting for him.

But, sure, I get your point. Louis had only a handful of challenges during his 25 defences that were even competitive and Tyson and Wlad swept everyone until they didn't. So, yes, it could factor in I suppose.