Is Usyk an all-time-great fighter?

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Is Usyk an all -time-great ?

Poll closed Jul 30, 2022.
  1. No

    31 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Yes

    62 vote(s)
    66.7%
  1. ENI_3300

    ENI_3300 Member banned Full Member

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    He has wins over Bellew,Chisora Gassiev Glowacki, Briedis Huck and Hunter.
    Is this enough to be considered an ATG or does he need to beat some more quality fighters ?
     
  2. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For me Usyk is as much HOW he did it as the paper part of the resume - all in the back yard, with the deck stacked against him in most cases,a dn with the arguable exception of Breidis, he was the dominant and clear winner.

    That said, whether he is elevated to ATG will mostly (whether right or wrong) depend on the outcome of his fight with Joshua. If he wins (again, in the opponents backyard, with no advantages), then it's hard to argue against - and in Joshua it will be against one of the legit top 3 (or 2 in most folks eyes, sorry Wilder) heavyweights - so unlike Haye, would not be 'stealing' a title.

    H2H Usyk is a nightmare for any cruiser in history (yes, even Holyfield), and not an easy night for any heavy either, although even if he does beat Joshua, he would be unlikely to scratch a top 100 HW all-time list as he simply has not had enough fights in the weight class to even be under consideration.

    In terms of the poll, i'd say it's maybe a bit too open;

    Is Usyk an ATG Cruiser? Yes already IMO.
    Is Usyk a P4P ATG? Not yet, very much contingent on beating Joshua and possibly even having a few defences to cement it.

    He wil never be an ATG HW though, simply doesn't have enough time left to have enough HW fights.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, he already makes it.

    He's already beaten more top 5 ranked fighters than many, many ATG fighters. He's all-time top 2 at cruiserweight. He makes up for the volume with the quality and he has a bit before him.

    Now, if he turns out to be a bust at heavyweight, that would affect his standing negatively, and maybe he would slip.

    If he retired tomorrow, yeah, he'd make my ATG list.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Hypothetically, if he could beat the recent and current title holders - AJ, Fury, Wilder, and Ruiz, and mix in another win or two - I think he'd enter the discussion.
     
  5. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    ffs
    once in a generation fighter
    cleared out cruiser better than haye
    travles anywhere
    fights anyone
    and going for heavyweight glory even though a little under sized against theses modern day behemoths
     
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  6. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Too soon…he needs more significant scalps on his resume and if he were to clean out the heavyweight division then he could enter that realm of possibility.
     
  7. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes and I'd argue he is an ATG. And along with Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev the only ATG of the previous decade. With a possible inclusion of Roman Gonzalez in there as well.
     
  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Seems unrealistic he will ever become a HW ATG. As far as p4p ATG he probably already is, but hes not exactly an absolute bona fide lock ATG. Currently I rate his p4p ATG status as similar to Shane Mosley. A borderline ATG and probably lean more towards yes than no.
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    At Cruiser yes, he's arguably the best cruiser ever along with Holyfield, but in a P4P sense no, I don't think so, not yet at least. If he beats Joshua though, which I don't think he has a reasonable chance of doing then yes he's a lock in not many cruisers can make that jump up especially in an era of super heavies.
     
  11. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    He is but not a strong one. We'll see what he can do at HW.
     
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  12. Boxing2019

    Boxing2019 If you want peace, prepare war. banned Full Member

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    Hes an all time cruiser
     
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  13. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lets say Usyk beats Joshua and Fury... where would he place in ATG rankings?
     
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  14. senpai

    senpai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He should win against AJ, Fury and Wilder and then considered best boxer of this century.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    Two generational wins at heavy. Two generational wins at 200lbs. Approaching double figures for top ten ranked guys defeated. Most of them in the top 5. Retires undefeated at that point?

    What possible argument exists for having him ranked below someone like Zarate? Or Jimmy Bivins? Or Mike Spinks?

    However, those are two huge candies you are handing out.
     
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