Is Usyk h2h #1 above Lewis, Vitali, Holmes, Wladimir, Ali ?

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Is Usyk the h2h goat ?

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  1. Yes, all the other heavyweights have overrated skillset

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  2. No

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While Chisora was gassed out his ass maybe
     
  2. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What difference does that make? Usyk was far and away more effective...do I care if Chisora gassed in the fourth like he always does?

    Watch the fight again with the blinders off. This is no different then the Hunter fight or the Bellew fight. Usyk took it easy for a few rounds, let Chisora blow himself up, took over and dominated.
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

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    Or Chisora took it too him for numerous rounds, landed several power shots, manhandled him on the ropes, made him very uncomfortable despite Usyk landing his own shots but still couldn't get Usyk out of there, failed to cut off all the angles and got outboxed down the stretch. He was on Usyk like a fly on **** and gave him a hard night despite getting comprehensively outboxed. What about this do you not understand
     
  4. catchwtboxing

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    There was no numerous rounds. 1-3 were his best...he might have had a decent fourth, but Usyk took of down the stretch as he always does and handled his business.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's your opinion

    Usyk seems to think Chisora was a very hard fight alongside the first Fury fight. His words not mine. He has said it multiple times
     
  6. catchwtboxing

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    Circles.

    Of course it is my opinion. Since Usyk outlanded him in nine rounds and staggered him, It's also the correct one.

    Yes, Usyk said it was a tough fight and Chisora him him hard....he also said he was injured and had gotten over Covid. He's had closer fights on the cards, and closer fights on the punch count. Brieidis outlanded him in power punches, though he dominated with jabs.

    Yes, if he says that Chisora hit him the hardest, of course I believe him, and of course I believe it was a tough fight in that sense.
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

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    It isn’t the correct opinion at all. Nobody is saying derek won it. Chisora landed plenty, made Usyk uncomfortable and gave Usyk a hard fight even if Usyk clearly won. This is the problem. You don't think it was a difficult night for Usyk and you don't believe Chisora won more than 3 rounds, he himself and many others will disagree with you
     
  8. SouthpawsRule

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    Damn good luck with those two
     
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  9. catchwtboxing

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    He didn't land what Usyk landed. He didn't stagger Usyk like Usyk staggered him.
     
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  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    But what does that say ? That Usyk won clearly and decisively, that's it. That doesn't mean Usyk didn't have his work cut out for him that night
     
  11. catchwtboxing

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    Which is a shifting bar. You said Chisora was in the same ballpark of difficulty as Fury, which is manifestly not true.
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    I never said that.
    I said Usyk seems to think that because he listed both Chisora and Fury when asked who was his toughest fight. Usyk looked incredibly uncomfortable getting walked down, pushed around by Chisoras strength and got hit plenty.
     
  13. catchwtboxing

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    And on this I am ending this nonsense...

     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I said that in context of Usyk himself stating both were his toughest fights when asked. I never claimed i thought that, that's why I said "for Usyk". Put on your reading glasses

    This is my opinion, you skipped over it like a dumbass, par for the course:
     
  15. Man_Machine

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    All you've done here is build a strawman that, in itself, shows you have no clue what you're talking about. It's just twin-ply garbage. That you have taken a posture as the superior in knowledge, as you have, is kind of funny, though.


    Re Chisora, you can interpret your Idol's own words in whatever way you want. But Usyk said it. As I've alluded to more than once already, I don't care, because it doesn't matter.

    It's actually the reaction of a certain type of Usyk fan that is more interesting here. The extent to which you're prepared to go in order to soften the perspective on the Usyk/Chisora bout says a lot, really. Perhaps even having Chisora's name in the conversation when discussing whether Usyk is "
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    " is a source of discomfort for some. Fair play. It's a game effort. :lol:


    Anyway, I'm not going to explain your strawman and basic failure to understand cause and effect to you. You'll just need to work that out for yourself. (Along with why scoring of fights by punch stats is not ideal.)


    There's no need to respond. Thanks.
     
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