Is Usyk really great or only shows how horrible the current HW division is?

Exactly What I said. And even Before Usyk had the belts Furys team and so and so's would mention Lineal. It means NOWT

 

AJ is still a work in progress.
At this point, I think he's probably the best head-to-head fighter not named Usyk, and depending on how the politics play out after Usyk retires, he could become undisputed, a feat more difficult with the four governing bodies than it was in Floyd's day.

And I would put an asterisk beside Floyd's undisputed status given that he shared his era with Liston who was denied (unfairly, IMO) his shot at the title for too long.

Right now, Floyd would probably rank higher, but I think that @catchwtboxing was correct in suggesting that AJ's stock will rise and he could well be considered a great by the end of his career.

 

You're completely off your rocker, then. Good luck to you. You live in a universe completely your own.

 

Patterson's best win would be an ancient, post-Marciano beat-down Archie Moore, great at LHW at best. Joshua least has the similarly aged but very legit heavy Klitschko to hang his hat on, and whereas Patterson largely avoided quality contenders like Machon, Foley and Williams, Joshua fought the best he could get his hands on, like Povektin, Parker, Whyte, Ruiz...

Also, as bad as any of Patterson's losses are, none of them, were one-round stoppages.

I would say Joshua is going to stack up well.

 

It is a shid division right now with no stars.

Nobody except die hard Boxing fans knows the current Heavyweight Champ

Usyk got a narrow points win on the cards, Ringside judge cards not Couch sitting cards vs Fury who in his previous fight was going life and death including getting put on his azz a couple of times by a ZERO skill 0-0 MMA Palooka..................this era is pure shyte.

Name me ONE Heavyweight champ of the last 40 years who almost lost to a 0-0 clubfighter.

 

Only casuals give a **** what casuals think.

You want stars, go to a planetarium. We have have a great, great champion right now, and those of us who love the sport are elated.

 

Tissue ?

I recon you got Marciano and Usyk posters right above your bed with candles and all and a Holmes Dolly stuck with 100 voodoo needles next to it.

Aint Life grand.

 

I’m going to say that I think regardless of the undeniable atg resume of usyk.
I love that he doesn’t seek out the spotlight and fame, he just relentlessly pursues his goals with an unwavering focus and commitment that is the mark of a true champion.
He carries himself with pride and dignity.
He is a champion among men and in a world devoid of any real role models.
He is the real deal, in between his two victories against one of the top fighters of his generation he went to war on the front line to defend his nation.
He is the embodiment of aspirational.
In the swamp of corruption that is boxing he treads the path of integrity, wearing white loafers and comes out the other side with not so much as a blemish.
(I think the shot from dubious was legitimate and he took advantage but that is the only thing close to a controversy)
I don’t think you can say that about any other champion in any era or any weight class.
I really wish he would retire but money is money

 

None of that means anything. You are a casual. That is all.

 

Yes
Both can be true.

 

Because it's a marketing tool when there's more then one champion in the division.

The only champion left is Usyk.

 

AJs stock may well rise, or he must start losing, there's no real way to know until he's retired.

 

But that best win was against the number 1 ranked HW in the world. At the time Patterson fought Moore, no HS held a higher ranking.

Joshua has also failed to fight two of his biggest peers (Fury and Wilder)

Patterson twice for smoked by Liston, true. I'm not really of the belief that a loss is really that much worse than another type of loss though.

Maybe with time AJ will go down as a great, time will tell.