Is Usyk the GOAT if he beats Fury?

HistoryZero26 · Dec 5, 2024

If Usyk had beaten relevant HWs at CW I would factor this into his HW evaluation because historically CW is HW. He didn't do this though and relevant CWs who aren't relevant at HW are mainly relevant because of the existence of CW.

dmille · Dec 5, 2024

Dynamicpuncher said: ↑

You're missing the point their amateur backgrounds are not used to heighten their all time P4P rankings or in regards to how highly they're rated as professionals and that's what some fans are doing now for Usyk.

For example Ali's Olympic medal has no barring in regards to how highly he is rated as a professional. He's simply rated very highly for having the best resume of all time at Heavyweight aswell as having many memorable fights as a professional not because he won a gold medal in the amateurs.
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IMO Ali's Olympic medal has a bearing in regard to how highly he is rated as a fighter. He's rated very highly for having the one of the best resumes of all time at Heavyweight as well as having many memorable fights as a professional and because he won a gold medal in the Olympics.

Dynamicpuncher · Dec 6, 2024

dmille said: ↑

IMO Ali's Olympic medal has a bearing in regard to how highly he is rated as a fighter. He's rated very highly for having the one of the best resumes of all time at Heavyweight as well as having many memorable fights as a professional and because he won a gold medal in the Olympics.
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I don't agree whether or not Ali didn't have a successful amateur career he'd still be the number 1 Heavyweight based on having by far the best resume as a professional at Heavyweight. That's what people look at when accessing his career in regards to how highly he is rated all time not because he won a gold medal in the amateurs that has little to no barring on it.

For example Larry Holmes had a forgettable amateur career but yet most have him as a top 5 Heavyweight of all time his failed amateur career has no barring on his all time ranking.

Joeywill · Dec 6, 2024

No not even close

If Usyk wins he surpasses Rocky Marciano and is top 10 heavyweight of all time

ellerbe · Dec 6, 2024

Serge said: ↑

He's already the GOAT and that is set in stone. He's clocked the game and completed boxing both amateur and pro whilst fighting on extra hard mode winning every single gold medal in major championships (Olympics, World Amateur Championships, European championships) as an amateur on the road and winning and unifying every single world title as a pro in his opponent's backyards sans once which was still on the road.

He done it all with zero deck-stacking. Zero trying to weaken opponent's at the negotiating table. Zero use of dirty tactics and fouling. Zero ducking. In fact, he's one of the most fearless road warriors to ever grace the sport and, in complete contrast to the vast majority of fighters, including many of the greats, he's routinely sought the toughest challenges out there in their backyards on a deck stacked in their favour. No ducking or dodging certain styles or punchers.

He's been exemplary: A model pro in and out of the ring, as near perfect a role model and ambassador as you could ask for.

So much of the aforementioned cannot be said about even most of the greats.

He became undisputed HW champion at 37 y/o for goodness sake when well past his apex slaying giants and murderous punchers in a division where he's giving away huge physical advantages and even though he's fought a murderer's row of savage punchers and KO artists, including a bunch of the hardest punchers in the sport both literally and P4P, he's never been dropped by a headshot in his life.

Let's not forget those CW studs he fought were basically power punching small HWs, especially Briedis and Gassiev who can punch holes in castle walls

He's clocked the game and everything from hereon is just a bonus. Even if he were to lose his next 10 fights he'd still the GOAT

Just watch this and try and convince yourselves he isn't the GOAT and that the good Lord himself didn't send this very special man and warrior down from the Holy Mountain as a gift from him to us

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Serge · Dec 6, 2024

ellerbe said: ↑

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