Is Usyks greatness debatable?

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  1. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    No he certainly does not. Have you not noticed how good his defence and chin are? Yes, everyone can be stopped but Usyk wouldn't be KOed in a single round by anyone.
     
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  2. mirkofilipovic

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    I wasnt serious.
     
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  3. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've rescinded your invitation to the Jerry Quarry stan secret society.
     
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  4. Robney

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    Would he rate among the top20 heavyweights at this point in time? Nope!
    The same thing that counts for Bowe, Fury and now Usyk is depth at the weightclass, which just isn't there.
    Usyk now has 4 HW fights and beat 4 guys at the cruiser limit who are/were doing very well at HW.
    Even if he fights Fury and beats him, he would have to defend against a couple of good names to really be near the upper echelon.

    As a boxer due to being the #1 CW evah, with some incredible depth despite the low number of fights and going on to become HW champ, he made it though.
     
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  5. Serge

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    Usyk has already beaten his WBA and WBO #1 ranked contenders in Michael ''The Bounty'' Hunter Jr. and Big Joe Joyce and in addition to beating Hunter in the US he also beat Big Joe Joyce in England

    Let that sink in

    Don't forget that Hunter is the only man to defeat the top 10 ranked streaking Bakole and he did so via stoppage too

    And Joyce holds a stoppage win over the current WBA regular champion Dubois
     
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  6. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Great post! ..

    Since it is a so nearly complete official testatment, perhaps add your later observations, edit it to icnlude the awesome record & number of wins he had as an amateur a semi-pro-& what he is doing for the Ukraine.
    In direct service & inspiration.
     
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  7. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Olympic gold
    Undefeated
    Undisputed cruiserweight world champion
    Unified heavyweight world champion

    The man is the goods.
     
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  8. Serge

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    Thanks. Funnily enough I was just thinking about touching upon his amateur accomplishments and in particular his list of scalps

    I'll do so later on
     
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  9. Serge

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    Usyk doesn't want the smoke with everyone

    He is the smoke

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  11. FastLeft

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    great cruiserweight 200 pound class
    he defeat very good competition in the class

    at heavyweight. no. he only defeat AJ
     
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  12. northpaw

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    The only thing I would debate is that his best wins are really, truly at CW (other than Joshua) and CW is not a glamour division.

    But he cleaned out the division completely, there was no question he was the best when he moved up, then he proceeded to usurp 3 belts from the #2 HW. I wouldn't personally debate his greatness.
     
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  13. Phil_Ivey_76

    Phil_Ivey_76 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'd bet very good money, that Fury can't stop him.
     
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  14. Veerbone

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    Jerry Quarry wouldn't touch him enough to hurt him. This ain't you're average stand and bang heavyweight. This is Ali-level elusiveness.
     
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  15. Phil_Ivey_76

    Phil_Ivey_76 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I rekon you actually believe this!
     
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