Is Valero close to being a P4P elite?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009.


Page 1 of 2
  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

    17,221
    4
    Aug 29, 2008
    I don't think so. Yet. But Darchinyan is, and Valero isn't far behind him IMO. So its certainly possible in the not to distant future.
     
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    #1
  2. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

    32,127
    41
    Nov 2, 2007
    Frankly, he's no where near.

    2 weight world champion, but against guys like Mosquera & Pitalua, it's not that great an achievement.
     
    TommyV, Apr 5, 2009
    TommyV, Apr 5, 2009
    #2
  3. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

    61,460
    42
    Jan 7, 2005
    Not even close.
     
    GazOC, Apr 5, 2009
    GazOC, Apr 5, 2009
    #3
  4. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

    4,499
    10
    May 8, 2006
    no...

    he just beat up a 38 year old fighter...thats it...
     
    hooligan, Apr 5, 2009
    hooligan, Apr 5, 2009
    #4
  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

    17,221
    4
    Aug 29, 2008
    A 38 year old fighter with a good record, and the #5 Feathweight in the world....

    25 fights. 25 KO's for Valero and a two weight world champ as well.

    What has Darchinyan done that is so much better than Valero?

    (That's my point)
     
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    #5
  6. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,376
    309
    Jan 8, 2009
    top 35-40 for me...i consider top 20 as elite
     
    asero, Apr 5, 2009
    asero, Apr 5, 2009
    #6
  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member

    76,131
    2,773
    Jul 20, 2004
    No.
     
    Scar, Apr 5, 2009
    Scar, Apr 5, 2009
    #7
  8. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

    82,426
    1,478
    Sep 7, 2008
    nope. He should fight Marquez at 135 lbs next, but I think it's more likely Soto will move up from 130, with the winner fighting Marqez for The Ring belt.

    These kind of opponents could earn Valero respect, but I think it's more likely he loses to them, although with Soto it's a 50-50 fight.
     
    Flea Man, Apr 5, 2009
    Flea Man, Apr 5, 2009
    #8
  9. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล

    82,426
    1,478
    Sep 7, 2008
    Darchinyan beat Kirilov and Arce, and also beat Mijares, who was top 10 P4P at the time and himself had trounced Arce and had wins over Navarro & Munoz.

    Much better resume than Valero, he may have lost before but he's fought at a much higher level than Valero thus far.
     
    Flea Man, Apr 5, 2009
    Flea Man, Apr 5, 2009
    #9
  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

    17,221
    4
    Aug 29, 2008
    I would consider P4P elite as Top 10, but Top 20 also reasonable for the elite level.
     
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    El Cepillo, Apr 5, 2009
    #10
  11. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,376
    309
    Jan 8, 2009
    campbell, guzman, soto and clottey would ranked higher than him
     
    asero, Apr 5, 2009
    asero, Apr 5, 2009
    #11
  12. yyyy1313

    yyyy1313 Active Member Full Member

    1,475
    0
    Mar 29, 2007
    Valero is an unproven talent, so no.
     
    yyyy1313, Apr 5, 2009
    yyyy1313, Apr 5, 2009
    #12
  13. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

    32,127
    41
    Nov 2, 2007
    Darchinyan has beaten a former top 6/7 P4P fighter and elite fighter in Cristian Mijares.

    Valero hasn't beaten anybody anywhere near that good, absolutely no where near the level Mijares was coming into that fight.
     
    TommyV, Apr 5, 2009
    TommyV, Apr 5, 2009
    #13
  14. Godfather

    Godfather I put the G in God Full Member

    407
    2
    Jun 10, 2008
    Not yet. Maybe if he can beat a good opponent
     
    Godfather, Apr 5, 2009
    Godfather, Apr 5, 2009
    #14
  15. the prom queen

    the prom queen bitter and clinging Full Member

    2,449
    1
    Feb 18, 2008
    38 isnt quite as old in boxing years as it once was
     
    the prom queen, Apr 5, 2009
    the prom queen, Apr 5, 2009
    #15
Page 1 of 2