Is Vasyl Lomachenko p4p the GOAT?

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  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, those were always good!
     
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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let’s get back on track guys.

    This is my take on Loma:

    I think he’s outstanding. But he stayed too long in the am’s.

    I don’t like criticising guys for pursuing their dreams, but at the same time, I feel as though we’ve all missed out on his best years.

    I know the Olympics is a huge goal, but why have 2 cycles?

    I don’t understand that.

    He should have turned pro years ago.
     
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  3. turbotime

    turbotime Future Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I'll start the thread !
     
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  4. MURK20

    MURK20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man you trippin.
     
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  5. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup New Member Full Member

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    How many fights someone has is literally irrelevant when they are fighting for titles as soon as they turn pro. Why is this hard to understand for you?

    Say he built up his hype by knocking over 20 low level guys on his way up before fighting Salido, are you going to be going on about “He’s only got a 36-2 record”? Because that record is exactly the same and the same quality as the one he has now.

    Who is calling him the GOAT, wasn’t our conversation about him being an ATG? Why the hyperbole and changing of the goalposts now? It makes you appear dishonest and sneaky, do you have an agenda here? Please make a clear argument, I don’t want to waste time with fantasy and team cheerleading.
     
  6. Betyabeatyaup

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    I think you’ll find that knowledgeable people on boxing look at boxing matches and opposition, not numbers in a vacuum on a piece of paper. Your thinking makes absolutely zero sense to me. Do you think JCC at 90-0 was a better fighter than Floyd at 50-0, and that Floyd can’t be the GOAT with only 50 fights? We were talking about being an ATG for a start, that’s a lower level in case you’re not aware. Your focus on number of fights is completely irrational and illogical. Please explain to me what makes a number special for you? If Lomachenko now fights 100 debut amateur fighters and beats them all, he has a record of 116-2, are you going to claim he only has 118 fights? Do you get it yet? Saying he has only had 18 fights is not an argument for or against anything, it’s irrelevant.
     
  7. Loudon

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    What are you talking about?

    The thread is literally titled: ‘Is Loma the P4P GOAT?’

    No, the number of fights isn’t irrelevant.

    You cannot rank him over a guy Floyd Mayweather on just 18 fights.

    It’s absurd.

    The only argument you’d have, is if you were saying that you think that he’s more skilled, and that your ranking is based on personal preference and/or on a H2H basis.
     
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  8. Loudon

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    Of course it’s not JUST numbers. It’s BOTH.

    Why are you being so argumentative?

    Loma hasn’t done enough YET.

    He’s got a 16-2 pro record.

    He hasn’t beaten any GREAT fighters.

    His amateur record isn’t taken into consideration.

    He has ATG skills, and we’ll have to evaluate his resume again when he’s retired. But as of yet, he hasn’t done enough.

    It’s this simple:

    He has ATG skills, but he doesn’t have an ATG resume.
     
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