Its funny when I was younger I used to root against and despise certain fighters who beat a fighter that I really liked, when he handled Mosely I always rooted against him, now a days a performance like that would make me a fan for life seeing a guy like that do what he did to a great fighter Does anyone remember in the rematch how much Mosley held and how he seemed to put his head down rather than try and exchange with Forrest looked very in fear of Vernon's power...did anyone else notice this or is this just me...sort of like how Hopkins came in with his head down in the Taylor rematch it almost looked like the jab was bothering him that much I pulled for him in the rematch vs Mora a fighter I always disliked and I thought they robbed Quartey I honestly don't see how they gave it to him but I didn't care much because I felt Quartey benefitted vs Verno Phillips on a no call knockdown that would have changed that out come
Strongly disagree. I have been a big Shane fan since the late 90s, and I wanted him to win the Vernon rematch big time, and when he came out of the gate and landed that mean left hook, I thought it was go time and that Shane had come to fight. He didn't, however. Worst of all, this was the first time Shane wasn't Shane. That first Vernon fight took something away from him that would never again return. He was gunshy, timid, and was no longer the same Shane Mosley who used blistering speed and incredible combinations. Shane was never the same after the first Vernon fight. While he did perform better in the rematches with Vernon and Winky, he was still beaten again by both. His biggest mistake, as it turned out, was giving those 2 opportunities when he did, both at times when the Vernon and Winky were stuck on the outside looking in. :smoke
If he'd shut out Vernon and Winky, letting in Ike in their place wouldn't have done him any more favors.
I don't remember Ike being in the cards for Mosley at that time, and I believe Oscar had already give him a chance before that (and Oscar came out with the close and somewhat controversial decision, when DLH came out like a ball of fire in the final round). The guy Mosley should have been targeting at that time, at least as I had seen it, was 6 heads Lewis.
He gave Mosley a sickening beating in the first fight. Shattered his iron jaw. I had Ike shutting him out as did most. Vernon could barely land a glove on him nor hurt him. As far as im aware , Hoya was the only guy who almost had Quartey out of there. Quartey was a superb welter. As was Forest.. rip
Two great wins over Mosley, but lost twice to Mayorga and got one of the biggest gifts I've ever seen against a well past his best Quartey, Forest was a very good fighter but not great IMO.
It wasn't in the cards at that time exactly, but in a parallel universe where it was Ike getting the shots Vernon did, he'd have given Shane the business. RIP to Vernon, who was a heck of a fighter and by accounts a good guy. I think Ike was just a bit better than him and Mosley.
You are right, prime Mosley ended in the 2nd round of the first Vernon Forrest fight. Again, respectability trying to impress hardcore boxing fans, a fighter should never do that until everybody has to do it. There's absolutely no reward for it. I will always remember Vernon Forrest though. The legacy of a lot of fighters does get lost in the past.
Awe man The Viper is truly missed. To me, he was the lesser known, the darkhorse of the division with stars like Oscar, Tito, Mosley, and the always dangerous Quartey, but the only complaint I had was he could be alil inconsistent. He had the firepower and the boxing IQ, but it seemed he only really shined against Mosley, who brought out the best in him. Fought brilliantly outside and ESPECIALLY on the inside, where tall, lanky fighters usually fail. Never the same after the Mayorga loss tho, had the heart of a lion, but seemed to fight in spurts. Very explosive for acouple of seconds, then take a long rest, making the rounds kinda lull. If he fought like he fought Mosley, he'd have destroyed Mora and Baldomir with ease. What he did for the mentally disabled is very admirable too.
Hardly forgotten by real fans. That he was considered a very serious proposition for Wilfred Benítez on Classic (where Benítez is a beloved h2h match-up darling) is telling... http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=544477