Is Victor Ortiz a cheater too?

Umm, well, the common person on here isn't the only one who thinks Margarito cheated. In fact, he was suspended for a year. Margarito cheated. Period.

Don't drag ol' "Glass Heart" into this situation. He has enough problems of his own after quitting against Maidana.

 

Margarito was suspended for ****s sake. They dont do that unless he really cheated. What more evidence do you want?

 

Its probably dye, blood isn't gonna be by his pinky fingers. And it also wouldn't soak through the rest of the gauze that deeply.

 

I agree with Hyper its likely the dye. In an amateur fight once I somehow how cut a knuckle it was very small more like a scarp and it bled on the gauze but only 2 layers deep the knuckle pads have to many layers for it to go completely through IMO.

 

I think what the guy is trying to discredit is the proof Jim Lampley gave during a pay per view fight. HBO showed a picture of Margarito after the Cotto fight and they pointed at the red stains on the hand wraps. They all went crazy claiming it was proof that he cheated. If i'm not mistaken even Emanual Stewart claimed to have never seen anything like that. I don't remember what pay per view it was.

 

No, no, no. The red stains wasn't what was questioned. In the vid/pic of Margo celebrating after the Cotto fight, There is a grey looking material under wraps that can be seen. that is what was being questioned. The red is dye from the gloves.

 

The dude was suspended for trying to put illegal pads in his wraps. There is no proof that he cheated anywhere.

 

Well this is from executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission!
By George!
Kizer: Margarito Was Clean vs. Cotto
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10:35 PM, January 28, 2009 ι George Willis

Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, told me "I'm as comfortable as I can be" Margarito's hand wraps and gloves weren't doctored against Miguel Cotto.

By GEORGE WILLIS

Keith Kizer, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said on Wednesday he is "as comfortable as I can be" that Antonio Margarito's hand wraps and gloves weren't doctored during his July victory over Miguel Cotto at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

Margarito's career-defining win over the previously unbeaten Cotto has come into question after two plaster-like pieces were found in Margarito's hand wraps before his bout with Shane Mosley Jan. 24 at the Staples Center in Los Angeles.

The California State Athletic Commission has the two hardened pieces and announced late Wednesday the licenses and Maragarito and his trainer Javier Capetillo were temporarily suspended pending a hearing Feb. 10. A long-term suspension could jeopardize a potential rematch with Cotto this June in the Garden.

Nevada will honor the suspensions while the investigation continues. "We're definitely going to listen to whatever California says when they finish their investigation," Kizer said. "We would hope it was all on the up and up and it was a misunderstanding. But I'm sure California will do a thorough job and let the fans and the media and everyone know what happened."

Kizer is sure everything was on the "up-and-up" in July when Margarito took the WBA welterweight title from Cotto with an 11th round TKO. Cotto dropped to a knee twice in the 11th beaten, battered and bloodied by a relentless two-fisted assault by Margarito. Cotto's face looked disfigured from the damage.

Margarito not only won the title that night, but superstar status that resulted in a record crowd of nearly 21,000 fans at the Staples Center for the fight with Mosley. But word came just before the bout that Margarito's hands had to wrapped three times and HBO commentator Larry Merchant told viewers that "an illegal pad" was found in Margarito's wraps, "something that would harden when wet."

Jim Lampley later referred to it as an "illegal implement," adding "inevitably, the question will arise, 'Did he have that in the hand wrap last July. Did it harden like plaster of Paris? Was it a factor in the fight."

Kizer is confident the rules and procedures in Nevada prevent any irregularities during hand wrapping and putting on the gloves. "We have experienced inspectors not only watching the hands being wrapped, but also the gloves being put on," Kizer said. "They feel the wraps and sign them and then the gloves and sign them."

One difference between Nevada and Calfornia is that Nevada provides the gauze for the hand wrappings, while California allows fighters to use their own gauze.

Speaking specifically about July, Kizer said, representatives from the Cotto camp were in Margarito's dressing room during the entire wrapping of the hands. "They were in there from the beginning," Kizer said. "Not only them but people from HBO, people from MGM, there are always a dozen or so people in the dressing room.

"I'm pleased with the process we have in Nevada," Kizer said. "Not only does it stop anybody who tries to do something like that, it stops anybody who is thinking about doing it."

 

Seriously people. :rofl

You and your red dye ideas. In all probabilities its just blood that was rubbed on the wraps from touching his face, his blood stained gloves, or hugging the other fighter with blood after the fight.

Quite simple really. :good

Unless you want to believe they bought the cheapest pirated boxing gloves available at some swapmeet for a high profile professional fight. Which is not the case. The red of $20 new everlasts from the local sports store doesn't rub off like that.

 

Thats because that hand wrap had the tape that goes in between the fingers pulled out so it ripped the gauze. If you find the picture and look at both wraps closely one still has the tape between the fingers and in the other it was pulled off, ripping the gauze. There is no strange, gray, concrete material there.


A lot of this crap was started by Jim Lampley and HBO as a whole. They hated Margarito for beating their superstar and wanted to keep selling Cotto as an unbeaten fighter.

 

First of all, it wasn't illegal wraps that Margo got caught with, it was old, hardened pad insert.

If you're going to try and start a thread on the subject, please try to at least get the basic facts straight.

 

Gotta agree with this. It's like all those baseball assholes who say they just used steroids to help with injuries.

 

What is the logic that Margo won't use the plaster against Cotto but will use it latter against the man who Cotto beat. Any way lets move on. Truewarrior the boxer in your avatar is Angulo?

 

I thought Ortiz was a decent kid...is this legit ?

 

Ortiz is the man. He didnt cheat.