Is Vitali Klitschko one of The Greates Heavyweight Boxer OF All Times ?

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  1. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    I mean after watching a few grainy bits of incomplete fight footage of past Heavyweight Champions this guy is sold! :yep
     
  2. Nay_Sayer

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    What are the two best wins on V Klit's resume?
     
  3. RUSKULL

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    As I suspected, clearly a windup.
     
  4. Fighting Weight

    Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm glad you said "only the WBO champ" that makes things a lilttle clearer :yep

    First to stop Samuel Peter - big ****ing deal, he'll most likely be the first to stop Kevin Johnson too....about as impressive as Hartley being the first man to stop Zelenoff :rasta

    Same goes for the KO percentage, just bums, bums and more bums.
     
  5. McGrain

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    01 - Muhammad Ali
    02 - Joe Louis
    03 - Lennox Lewis
    04 - Sonny Liston
    05 - Joe Frazier
    06 - Jack Johnson
    07 - Mike Tyson
    08 - Larry Holmes
    09 - Rocky Marciano
    10 - Harry Wills
    11 - Jim Jeffries
    12 - George Foreman
    13 - Evander Holyfield
    14 - Jack Dempsey
    15 - Max Schmeling
    16 - Joe Walcott
    17 - Floyd Patterson
    18 - Ezzard Charles
    19 - Wlad Klistschko
    20 - Peter Jackson
    21 - Riddick Bowe
    22 - Sam Langford
    23 - Ken Norton
    24 - Gene Tunney
    25 - Max Baer

    Purely talking resume you can add McVey and Jeanette.

    Funnily enough, Vitali was actually my #26 when I did this list, though not on purely resume.
     
  6. Fighting Weight

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    Winning the event against Lewis, and managing to get a license to fight professionally after testing positive for roids.

    After that, the win over Peter :lol: Then taking longer than Sanil Sam to beat Danny Williams :lol:

    Edit - I forgot Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams easier than VITLAY did too.
     
  7. RUSKULL

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    The Samuel Peter beating is a personal favorite, KOing Herbie Hide in 2 rounds for the WBO, KOing Sanders for the WBC, KOing Kirk Johnson so easily..................I don't know. With Vitali it's not so much the opponents as much as how he beat them.
     
  8. RUSKULL

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    Obviously you don't believe Vitali Klitschko is ranked along side Tommy Morrison in achievements or head to head, even you can't be that foolish.
     
  9. DeanoFlash

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    HOFer....nothing more
     
  10. PetethePrince

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    So we have to rank fighters on footage, we can't go by their reports and their respective records and greatness within their own eras? That's laughable. Honestly, what respectable and knowledgable person would rank Vitali ahead of James Jeffries?

    What many others? Tunney beat Dempsey twice, a fighter that's a top 10 HW champion on my people's list. He also proved himself in the division before the fights, and beat many fighters in the lower weights. Bowe beat Holyfield twice. WTF has Vitali ever done that's anywhere near as comparable except "Winning an event" against Lennox Lewis. Schemling beat Joe Louis, Max Baer, and Jack Sharkey. Charles beat Walcott 3 times, Joe Louis, cleaned out the division late 40's early 50's with wins over Elmer Ray, Bivins, Maxim, and Layne. Also was arguably the GOAT LHW if you account that beating Moore every time they fought.

    Baer could be the toughest to justify but he beat Carnera and Schemling. Again, more noteworthy than really anything Vitali did. Sounds to me you're upset that there can clearly be 25-30 fighters ranked ahead of VK. Deal with it.

    Yes, I don't have a 1926 cutoff point.
     
  11. RUSKULL

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    How can you have Tyson ranked above Holyfield when Evander beat him twice :rofl

    Let's say I even agreed with some of those questionable choices, still means Vitali is a top 25-30 Heavyweight doesn't it?

    I rest my case. :D
     
  12. Nay_Sayer

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    Narrow it down to the 2 best.
     
  13. McGrain

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    :huh

    For the same reason I would have Ali ranked above Norton had Norton beaten Ali twice and rank Pep above Saddler...dominance, skillset, length of reign, intangibles, resume etc. etc. I think you may be a bit confused about what ATG means?

    What, you rest your case for Vitali being a top 25 HW of all time based upon his not being a top 25 HW of all time? :huh
     
  14. KOTF

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    :lol:
     
  15. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    Ruskull, you shouldn't laugh at a poster 20 times more knowledgeable and intelligent than you. Tyson reigned like a beast in the 80's and became the youngest champ around. He cleaned the division and was much more consistent than Holyfield in their respective primes. It's not always about who beats who, neccessarily. I have Tyson ranked above Holyfield too - also Lewis. I also have Holyfield ahead of Bowe, but by your logic that can't be justifiable.

    What case? You said he ranked 20-25, now he's 25-30. I'll agree he's 25-30 but I can name 25 champs that can be ranked ahead of him.