is vitali klitschko the greatest heavyweight ever?

You ain't lying

 

omfg,, save face and never come back again, sheez i thought i looked the fool on esb with my love for peter but godamn!!!

 

Jess Williard................:rofl Sure he could :rofl

 

He won't be back:nut

 

he beat the **** out of your boy peter. now whats up man?

 

???? did I say different??? Now run along noob:hi:

 

While I don't rate either Klitschko on my top ten HW list (yet), H to H is a different matter.

And Vitali is probably a top five H to H.

 

Willard is arguably better than him in speed, heart, stamina, and has a better win in beating a past prime ATG in Johnson. Vitali edges him in overall technique and ring generalship and workrate. Power and chin are about even. A Willard win would not be out of the question and certainly not laughable.

Edit: Just realized who I was responding to...oh well. At least others will perhaps read this post and not have an obvious bias.

 

Now Jess Willard.atschatschatsch

Even if Willard were that good how could anyone accurately gauge his tools/skill set from the poor quality video available on him.

I could not bare to read this entire thread but in similar threads names such as Quarry, Cooney and Morrison come up as potential Klitschko conqueror's.

What about the legally blind fighter that took Joe Louis to a decision. I bet he could have trounced both Klitschkos, in the same night!

I meant no disrespect to the man. It is a phenominal accomplishment to fight world class boxers, let alone with a severe vision problem. I was merely trying to keep pace with the thread.

 

No, and log off.

 

No he doesn't and in Lewis's case no he didn't.

 

It's funny isn't it. Sport an avatar of someone who has had dealings with teh Klitschko's and people pounce on you. :roll:

Unless you've got a Lennox Lewis avatar that is. :deal

 

Why?????????????????????? Show me the proof. Who has he beat that even belongs on any top 100 ATG list? His list of opponents is filled with nothing but sub par competition, that someone like Ali or Holmes would consider C-level fighters at best. Again its not his fault that he fights in an era of bums but dont lose sight of the fact that HE IS ALSO BENEFACTOR OF THIS WEAK DIVISION. Then again he did come up short in his only matchup against a true elite.

Sometimes when I hear these H2H fantasy comparisons, I think people give too much credence to a person's physique and not enough to that actual person's boxing skills. Vitaly's skills are adaquate but they are well short of dazzling. Wlads' are better, yet he has other deficiencies that are well documented.

 

ummm no,...

 

Poor Willard gets too much hate on forums. It doesn't help that one of his only filmed fights is of his worse ever performance in the ring against another ATG in Dempsey. That would be similar the only footage of Duran being from the Hearns fight.
Its difficult to say which one is better in the ring since theres only a few minutes of total footage out there of Willard (Note I said better in the ring, not greater). From what I've seen of Willard and reports I've read, I'd have to say...again:

Technique: Vitali has the better ring generalship and smarts, although Willard threw more of a variety of punches and looked more in control and not so awkward. Win: Vitali

Workrate: Clear win for Vitali in this one. Even for his time Willard was known for not having a great workrate, and that is something most people find impressive with Vitali.

Speed: Willard I'd say. Watch the beginning of the Johnson fight which was filmed at speed or close enough to it to get a proper representation. I haven't seen Vitali perform at that speed before.

Chin: Draw. They both have proven chins.

Stamina: Willard. He has less workrate than Vitali, but more stamina. Hes been known to get better as the fight progresses.

Heart: Willard. No arguement there likely.

Best wins: Willard. Beating an old Jack Johnson is still better than the competition that Vitali beat.

Do your research before blindly choosing sides. If you still think Vitali, then at least you learned more of Willard.