Is Walters a coward?

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  1. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why not say I need a warm up fight, and if not that then I just can't understand why he wouldnt just lay it all on the line in your biggest fight, get knocked out for me is less of an embarrassment than quitting.
     
  2. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I watched Leonard/Duran 2 to try to understand it more. I can't call Duran a coward or any man who's stepped into the ring and fights for a living. It was just something mentally off about the whole situation. Physically neither guy was that beaten up. Could've been something to do with a bully mentality as well getting broken. I couldn't tell you but I refuse to call any boxer a fearful coward, even a Kermit Cintron. I've boxed in a gym and I practice combatives in the military twice a week. I've never been on their stage so I can't call anyone a coward that has gone further than I've ever gone in a sport where you could die at any given time.
     
  3. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I feel you on that and I understand what you mean but the way I see it is you can if you can compare them to those in their field.

    we call some fighters bum but most of us and the general public would get whopped by those fighters. So when we say bums we mean bums compared to the top guys in their divisions not bums compared to the everyday man. So I think there's a ton of fighters in the division who would of stayed in there with loma unless they were knocked out or were taking heavy punishment and he didn't.
     
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  4. 941Jeremy

    941Jeremy Active Member Full Member

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    Stephen A Smith and Max Kellerman briefly spoke on this during first take today. The option of tapping out is available in mma and there is practically no disdain for it. Yet boxers basically have to die in the ring to lose with honor.
     
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  5. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    he was mentally broke and was about to be physically broke.

    I think he had too much pride to be able to go in there for another round and get beatup or KO'd...

    was morales a coward for quitting against Pac? no...he just knew he had been beat.
     
  6. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Totally agree
    I totally agree. It leaves a sour taste no doubt and it's reflects poor professionally. But we don't know the full story and Walters was acting very strange prior to the fight.
     
  7. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well the way he explained it was he felt rusty and things weren't going right so he would have been stupid not to quit lol, that is a joke of an excuse I can at least admire his honesty but imagine if every fighter did what he did we wouldn't get to see so many comebacks.
     
  8. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Say that to his face, but remember to crouch before doing so.
     
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  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He used logic and realized that that wasn't going to end well for him and did the right thing for his health, he was trying to be rational and use his head, but most people including myself prefer fighters to fight with their hearts and go out on their shield, which he didn't, he made the right decision for him and quit, is he a quitter? yes, but the fact that he got in the ring to start with means he's not a coward.
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah but morales proved his heart in the last two fights with pacquaio, we know Morales is a warrrior from his Mexican wars with Barrera and Pac. This was Walters quitting without being hurt, knocked down or even cut.
     
  11. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not a coward but to mentally weak to be a pro boxer. As a pro boxer you box for the fans and to them you have obligations.

    You don't quit without a reason. And loosing is not a reason.
     
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  12. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think if you realise you don't even have a punchers chance and are hurt by all means get out of the fight. But Walters barely threw and his power was his best weapon going into fight I just think why not give yourself a chance.

    But to your point Fighters do have a way out theres the referee if you can't defend yourself any longer, a count if you get knocked down and your corner has a towel not to mention you can just tell the referee your done like he did. I don't think any fighter should fight when he has no chance and is taking heavy punishment but that's not what I saw in there, I just saw him getting picked apart but not really hurt.
     
  13. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well when your skill is not up to par, heart and force is all you got, he barely threw anything so he didn't even know if his power was good enough to effect Loma, I guess that's why you gotta respect the likes of salido who said **** it I can't beat you on skill but I'm gunna put it on you and see how you like this type of pressure.
     
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  14. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I completely agree, getting smashed to bits is a reason but getting outboxed when you have the edge on power is definitely not a reason. I'm lucky I didn't put my money on Walters coz if i did and I saw that i would be livid.
     
  15. KnightAndDay

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