You are not even trying to make a sensible answer or debate, but let me try this one more time in another round about way. Cotto is thought by some to be the MW champ, and has a greater resume than Golovkin who is a MW title holder, but I dont think many would think that Cotto is the tougher MW fight for most common opponents. So what you are saying with your example would be something like anybody who does not seem keen to face Golovkin would not go on to fight Cotto. Wake up Loudon. Im sure there will be a long drivelling post, but you cant argue against your own arguments You say you think Ward wanted a rest, but he was mentioning a rematch with Kessler and the Froch/Bute fight and Ward/Dawson fight were only a couple of months apart atsch
I felt Groves edged Degale but felt Degale was the fighter who may go on further. I felt Degale beat Andre Dirrell and didnt see anything contraversial about that decision
You saw what I wrote. You must be high or drunk...or from the UK. There is no need to talk boxing with you **** rider. My thing is you truly get a kick out of talking to yourself in your threads.
Where have I quoted myself? I havent. Now please try and back up your comment, as everytime you make these comments that you fail to be able to answer, you sink lower into the ESB gutters and that insecurity I mentioned looks more and more evident
Quoted yourself? You're talking to your alts ****. You have no proof that Ward went to 175 because of Degale you ****en re****. Just sftu because NOBODY respects you.
I dont have any alts atsch. You must be getting paranoid. Its that insecurity I mentioned revealing itself even further . As for your next comment, read what I wrote I havent said Ward did anything for any reason, it was a question not a comment and shows that you got all insecure and panicked about a question and started making assumptions atsch. This is why I am the most respected poster and why you are seen as a laughable insecure poster that really NOBODY does respect. Dont worry you can always get an alt, you seem to have enough ideas about others talking to themselves that way :yep
Good points. You may well be right. We'll just have to wait and see how it all unfolds. Unless Ward can't make SMW, I'd have loved to have seen him stay a little longer. There's some good fights there for him. He doesn't need to go to LHW now. Kovalev will still be there in a year or so, and Beterbiev could become a star within that period. Also, I think Golovkin will definitely move up to SMW in the next 12 months or so, if/when he's cleared out MW. Earlier this year, Carl Froch said that Ward wouldn't fight again at SMW, because he weighed 200 pounds. At the time, I thought he must have been exaggerating. But maybe he was telling the truth?
How am I not trying to make a sensible debate? If you don't agree with my opinions, that's fine. But all my opinions are based on logic. They're there for everyone to read. Again, Chad Dawson had a better resume than Lucian Bute. He was more proven at the top level. Also, both Dawson and Bute are big southpaws with both speed and skills. Looking from Ward's perspective, it would have been illogical to have swerved Bute out of fear, to then have fought Dawson instead. Do you understand? Your Cotto-GGG an*logy doesn't compare to the above. The circumstances are very different. You can't do direct comparisons. Cotto has the better resume, but he's seen better days and he's not a legitimate MW. Golovkin is the most feared man in the division. Try and put yourself in the shoes of an opponent facing these guys. If I'd have been in Ward's position, I'd have feared Dawson more than Bute. Whereas If I was a MW contender, I'd fear Golovkin more than Cotto. Regarding Ward, yes, he seemed more than happy to have a break after the Super Six. And when he was cleared to resume training after his injury, Kessler was a potential opponent for him. He had no interest in fighting Bute at that point. He seemed happy that Carl had stepped in instead. But that is not proof that he feared him, and that he wouldn't have faced him at some point down the line.
I'm not a fan of Ward. And your question was idiotic. And no you aren't the most respected poster. In your own eyes maybe.
Right going to stop you there. Instead of quoting each sentence I will try and keep it brief. Your ****ogy of Bute and Dawson in your mind stands but when I give a counter ****ogy you say that doesnt work. Can you not see your own double standards here? Dawson wasnt a legit SMW Dawson wasnt KOing people like Bute Dawson wasnt proven at SMW like Bute was. Dawsons better resume as you put it was made of many older fighters when he was a young fighter and he didnt look even as close to how good Bute looked against a common opponent, but all of this seems to escape you, which is why you are not making a sensible debate and wanting to argue for arguments sake. Bute was seemingly more feared at SMW than Dawson at SMW who was fighting older fighters and been beaten You also seem happy to speak for Ward but after Ward had said he had no interest in Bute and Bute then agreed to face Froch in potentially a 2 fight deal, Ward claimed he was only saying that to build interest in a Bute fight but Bute has instead tied himself in to face Froch, so what are you going on about? You are speaking for Ward and then coming out with completely different things to what he said himself in the end. http://www.badlefthook.com/2012/4/1...ted-to-fight-lucian-bute-butes-team-disagrees
I havent said you were, I just noted your insecurity which you are now trying to defend, which seems like a further sign of it all. Now answer the questions with regards to your comments or are you going to carry on ducking
Hope thats not directed at me, or I may have to show you where Degales team mentioned how they agreed to face Ward, then we will see where the word idiot should be used. Also whats that got to do with someone not fighting in a weight division they hold a title in?
Loudon, Dawson was not more proven than Bute at the weight Ward fought him at. Why do you think Ward pounced on fighting him at 168 and refused to budge a single inch when Dawson later approached him about doing it at a catchweight? Dawson only asked for a mere 2lb concession from him and they wouldn't even agree to that. What Dawson actually said in the post-fight interview when he called Ward out was that they could do it at that 168, 175 or a catchweight and Ward is the one who immediately jumped on them doing it at 168 and clung onto it like a limpet. He knew Dawson was obviously having problems getting back down to a weight he hadn't fought at in six and a half years but he still refused to budge an inch when Dawson requested a catchweight. And during the post-fight press conference shortly after that interview Dawson said that he was ''not saying that he would prefer to come out of his comfort zone of 175 for the fight'' Ward knew full well in advance that he was going to be accused of draining Dawson if they fought at 168, but Mr. I don't do concessions and always WANT and GET everything my own way all the time once again refused to make a single concession to ensure, as per usual, the deck was stacked heavily in his favour yet again. Dawson had already agreed to go to his hometown Jokeland for goodness sake, a place where Ward is allowed to fight to a set of rules he penned with his own hand. That alone already put Dawson at a massive disadvantage, but even that wasn't enough for Ward who always wants every single advantage stacked in his favour and then he gets all surly and throws his toys out of the pram whenever anyone dares to pull him up about it. Ward and Virgil Hunter said they've already beaten two LHWs in Dawson and Edwin Rodriguez. Dawson weighed 186 when he fought him and Rodriguez was at least that by the time he climbed into the ring. Ward already knew weeks in advance (thanks to Ward's spies he has in his opponent's camps) that Rodriguez was having serious problems trying to get back down to the SMW limit. Rodriguez still looked like a skeleton on the scales during the secondary weigh-in on the morning of the fight and he weighed 179.8 then. BTW, Rodriguez's trainer Ronnie Shields said that ''devout Christian'' Ward's notorious gangster manager James Prince was seen trying to break the scales that morning so that the weigh in would be delayed until even later and Rodriguez would have even less time to rehydrate on the day of the fight. atsch So if Ward has already beaten two LHWs, one of them being the premier one in the world at the time, why in the hell does he now need 3 tune up fights to ''acclimatize to the weight'' before facing Kovalev if he didn't believe they were drained? Kovalev weighed 3lbs more in his last fight than Ward did in his and 3lbs less than Dawson did when Ward beat him too. And Rodriguez was probably closer to 190 come fight time when he fought Ward. Don't forget that Ward publicly stated at the time that he wants the credit for beating a full strength Dawson as well. He can't have it both ways, mate. And why is he now trying to fight 2 SMWs, one of whom is a nobody and the other is European level at best, in back-to-back fights for ''settling into the weight'' fights? He already beat the best LHW in the world with ease. In fact, he stopped him for the first time in his career. But now he's too scared to face an actual LHW in his second fight at the weight opting instead to face a pair of very lowly SMWs who literally pose him zero threat. And it's not an accident that Ward is refusing to face an actual LHW yet again for his second settling into the weight fight either. All three of the opponents I've heard he was trying to line up for this date are all career SMWs: Zac Dunn, Rohan Murdock, and Alexander Brand. :rofl But you don't think he was banking on Dawson being drained when he fought him? You have no idea just how calculating and scheming Ward and his trainer are if not. Regarding Bute. He would've been facing a healthy Bute at 168 not a drained to death cadaver. Revisionism aside, Bute was also a legitimate KO puncher who had scored spectacular one punch finishes over some of the toughest and most durable fighters in or around the SMW division. I'm talking like the freakishly tough Librado Andrade, Fernando Zuninga (it was a one punch finish if you check the clock. Zuniga was writhing on the canvas in utter agony for a good 14 or 15 seconds at least IIRC), and Edison Miranda, the same Miranda who a couple of years later a shot to smithereens version of knocked Dawson senseless in sparring a few weeks before Dawson fought Ward. No one has ever got rid of Miranda like Bute did, still to this day. Same goes for Andrade and Zuniga and it's not like they haven't fought plenty of quality opponents and big punchers or don't get hit a lot. And Bute's uppercut was considered one of the most destructive weapons in the sport at the time too, a punch that Ward isn't just susceptible to but has actually already been hurt badly with twice now, one of which resulted in him getting dropped heavily and badly hurt to the point where he claims not to remember anything for the final 2 rounds of the fight and the other of which (delivered by the hand of a nobody) had him staggering backwards in dire straights a clean punch or two away from Bolivian. In 2012 Ward said he was ''willing to fight anyone at '68 or '75." and that he was also ''ready to fight the best 168- and 175-pounders that are out there.'' He didn't need loads of tune ups to ''acclimatize to the weight'', he said he was ready for anyone. But when it came time for him to do that he slipped right back into rigging the deck heavily in his favour mode once again and insisted on dragging Dawson down to a weight he hadn't fought at in six and a half years even though he knew A. he would be accused of draining Dawson and B. that Dawson was having real difficulty trying to get down to the weight. Like I said, and this is important to remember, we're talking about someone who always wants and gets everything his own way and refuses to make concessions in order to stack the deck as heavily as he can in his favour all the time. Dawson had already agreed to go to his hometown so why the hell couldn't he concede to a catchweight of a mere 2lbs given that and how he's also keenly aware of the fact that many have criticized him for always having everything his way and refusing to make concessions? Once again, Kovalev weighed less in his last fight than both Dawson and Rodriguez did when they fought Ward