Is Ward now an All Time Great? (As in top 100 of all time)

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Is Ward an All Time Great? (Top 100)

Poll closed Sep 26, 2017.

  1. Yes, he's an ATG

    36 vote(s)
    41.9%

  2. No, but he's almost there

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%

  3. No, and he's got a lot to do before he is

    26 vote(s)
    30.2%
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  1. Shempz

    Shempz Active Member Full Member

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    I didn't see him dominate anything. I guess I must have been watching a different fight.
     
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  2. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes he is, he's a dirty ******* but he's defo now in my top 100.
     
    sas6789, Jun 20, 2017
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kovalev is better than Mosley. Shane has no jab at all, none.

    Kovalev has more power, better jab, more accuracy, higher ring IQ.

    Nobody even knows who the hell Mosleys LW opposition was. Got blown up by Forrest, schooled by Winky. And only beat DLH because he used EPO and capitalized on DLH who was a low stamina fighter.
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don't compare Wards resume to Floyds. Ward has the better wins. We're talking Kovalev, Kessler and Froch against JLC, Corrales and Baldimor. Not a comparison.
     
    tinman, Jun 20, 2017
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You mad?
     
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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    He dominated him in the end after a competitive fight is what I meant.
     
    Bogotazo, Jun 20, 2017
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  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Yep, Mosley's ledger is full of red ink above lightweight. Everyone got a piece of him. He was the village bicycle. Not a top ten guy in his decade. Probably top 15 and hall of fame, but not a top 100 ATG.
     
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  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Absolutely not. Shane's IQ gets underrated because of his post-Forrest performances but Ward doesn't have a performance that compares to the Oscar performance. That's one of the best wins of the era.

    Shane beat the better fighters point blank. Kovalev is not in discussion for HOF let alone ATG status. Absurd to think that a stiffer jab could make up that gap.
     
    Bogotazo, Jun 20, 2017
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  9. You've Got Male

    You've Got Male Member Full Member

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    Shane was on EPO for the Oscar fight.
     
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  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Ward does not have better wins than Floyd. The Kovalev win is as good as any single win Floyd has but Floyd's 5th best win is as good as Ward's 2nd. Not at all comparable. Floyd had an incredible career.
     
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  11. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    That was the rematch.
     
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  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Mosley has one win that people care about. He fought nobody at LW.

    And he cheated to beat DLH. Plus he had the perfect style to beat DLH. DLH can be out worked and his offense can be neutralized with lateral movement if you move away from his big left hand.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Kessler is better than JLC and Corrales.
     
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  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    He didn't cheat to beat DLH to our knowledge, he was working with BALCO in the rematch. DLH is an ATG in himself and not easy to beat so your simplistic breakdown of why he won is disingenuous. Only a great or very good bigger man could beat Oscar in his prime.

    De La Hoya, Vargas, Margarito, Mayorga, Leija, Molina, Holiday is a better resume than what Ward has. There's no disputing it.

    Kessler is not better than those two Hall of Famers, what the hell are you smoking? Kessler?
     
    Bogotazo, Jun 20, 2017
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  15. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch, Kessler and Abe get him there as a SMW.

    Dawson almost takes him out of top 10 SMWs simply for fighting a corpse.

    Fighting even with Sergey in the 2nd fight, even if he did get 2 illegit Ws, puts him top 20 at LHW, so yeah, love him or hate him.....

    He's only lacking Bute and Steiglitz at SMW, but Abe gets him Steiglitz and Froch, in a long end around gets him Bute.....so yeah, he's a HOF lock for sure.
     
    chitownfightfan, Jun 20, 2017
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