Is Ward scared to move up to light heavyweight?

bailey · Jan 7, 2013

dinovelvet said: ↑

Hop was 3 years older than Joe is now when they fought. He could of fought on as he was in his prime after just moving up to LHW and feeling a lot better at the weight, but he chose to check out instead.

Fights two old timers and calls it a day.
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Yeah and Ward and Dawson are fighting his leftovers, in fact both their biggest wins are Calzaghe victims , yet you rate them and knock Calzaghe atsch.
Delusional fanboy 3

bailey · Jan 7, 2013

Grim Fandango said: ↑

hi:
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PolishPummlers alt. Still it all counts
Delusional fanboy #5, and notice they cannot counter the facts

The Bane · Jan 7, 2013

bailey said: ↑

What I tend to do Bane, is start counting the posters who cant counter this post

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Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.

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1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought?

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Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler
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(Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank
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Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW)
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Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW)
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Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ)
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(Bika was a Calzaghe left over at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green)
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Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer)
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Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika
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(Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs)
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Then include the
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win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put
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ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon

Very clear but nobody will have a sensible answer to say otherwise, it will just be a lame Faileys losing it answer when they cant debate against

Somebody tell me how Ward has done more than that.

Nobody can counter the above or answer the questions. In fact they hide from the questions

Thats 2 there Bane. Rudyard and PolishPummler.
Both have shown that they cannot debate against the facts and are instead delusional fanboys. Theres the proof.

2 and counting, watch it either go up or end the thread
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Haha, when I compared the Ward and Calzaghe SMW to LHW scenerio he was backtracking like theres no tomorrow.

bailey · Jan 7, 2013

The Bane said: ↑

Haha, when I compared the Ward and Calzaghe SMW to LHW scenerio he was backtracking like theres no tomorrow.
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Seen it so many times previously. They dont have answers, but call it trolling when you prove them wrong

TheJuggernaut · Jan 7, 2013

bailey said: ↑

What I tend to do Bane, is start counting the posters who cant counter this post

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Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.

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1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought?

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Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler
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(Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank
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Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW)
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Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW)
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Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ)
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(Bika was a Calzaghe left over at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green)
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Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer)
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Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika
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(Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs)
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win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put
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ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon

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Why do you think this is like a stumper or something? Its nothing but your opinion, no facts. And kind of stupid really as you compare in a way that is conveinent for you.

For instance, why the hell would you compare Calzaghe's win over Kessler to Wards win over Froch when the both fought Kessler? Also they both fought Bika yet you compare wards win over Bika to Calzaghes win over Brewer. Its a stupid list, you compare apples to apples genius

Ward beat Kessler much more comprehensively than Slappy Joe did.
Wards win over Froch shits all over Joe's win over Lacy (Ward beat him in his prime which is practically better than any win on Joe's resume save Kessler, who ward also beat)

He beat Eubank at the end of his career, Roy Jones and Hopkins (who he barely beat) when they were in a nursing home (both knocked him down btw )

Calzaghe was great but Ward dominating the super 6 the way he did then taking Dawson out the way he did tops Calzaghes career, sorry man

PolishPummler · Jan 7, 2013

Ward needs to fight Froch it Nottingham:|

Not that Froch stands a chance we are just hoping for another Dirrell type situation.:|

bailey · Jan 7, 2013

TheJuggernaut said: ↑

Why do you think this is like a stumper or something?
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Because nobody has a sensible counter

Its nothing but your opinion, no facts. And kind of stupid really as you compare in a way that is conveinent for you.
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Then prove otherwise. You were already stumped as you were not able to answer the questions. You owned yourself there.

For instance, why the hell would you compare Calzaghe's win over Kessler to Wards win over Froch when the both fought Kessler?
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One because I was comparing top wins for top wins. Calzaghes win ove Eubank was possibly his best at SMW, but I was also showing how Calzaghe has a better win over eubank than Ward does Kessler, before Calzaghe even had the Kessler fight to mention and also because of the similarities between Calzaghes fight with Eubank and Wards with Kessler ie

So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury

Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

Also they both fought Bika yet you compare wards win over Bika to Calzaghes win over Brewer. Its a stupid list, you compare apples to apples genius
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Once again, completely different times, like with Calzaghes win over Kessler.
When Calzaghe was beating fighters like Bika and Kessler, he was old and at the end of his career, which isnt the right comparison. You dont compare a 35 year old with a long career at the end of the road with a prime 25 year old, who is fresh, and also when Ward fought Bika, Bika like Kessler was rusty and not had many rounds for a while

Ward beat Kessler much more comprehensively than Slappy Joe did.

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See this is where you mess up. You are comparing an old at the end of his career fighter to a young prime fighter. One facing against an undefeated prime Kessler world champ, the other against unwell double vision suffering Kessler who was rusty and hadnt fought a top SMW for 3 years.
Still if you go down that road, you fail to note Calzaghe looked better against Bika than Ward did. whoops

Wards win over Froch shits all over Joe's win over Lacy
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Fighters from different eras where the truth gets lost.
Consider that Froch coming into the Ward fight was coming in off a Mdec over old past best weight weakend Johnson, when Lacy had beaten Vanderpool who beat prime Johnson.
In fact to tell you how the era has changed fro the worse. Froch comes into Ward off the back of beating old G Johnson by Mdec, when sheika came in to challenge Calzaghe after beating prime G Johnson. Lacy also beat Sheika :smooch

(Ward beat him in his prime which is practically better than any win on
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How was Froch prime when he is 35,and who going inhad never beaten a prime SMW champ and had only had one clear world title win coming in, ie Pascal a nothing SMW and he struggles, Taylor (who did nothing at SMW) Froch was behind before the end, many feel he lost to Dirrell, he did lose to unwell Kessler, and only got a Mdec over Johnson, who is a SMW journeyman, who Calzaghe victims handled

Joe's resume save Kessler, who ward also beat)

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How do you get that when Calzaghe has undefeated Kessler, not defeated unwell Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Mitchell, Veit, Brewer, Reid, Woodhall who were all SMW title holders as well as several other top 10 SMWs.
Tell me one top undefeated SMW Ward has faced

He beat Eubank at the end of his career, Roy Jones and Hopkins (who he barely beat) when they were in a nursing home (both knocked him down btw
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He beat Eubank at the same stage roughly in his career as Ward fought Kessler, only Eubank had a far greater resume.
He beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik and you forget Calzaghe had come up in weight to beat Jones and Hopkins, also Jones was the #6 LHW who many felt would beat Calzaghe and you also forget that there was only 3 years between Calzaghe and Jones. Forget that to

Calzaghe was great but Ward dominating the super 6 the way he did then taking Dawson out the way he did tops Calzaghes career, sorry man
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Dominating the S6?
Wards best win in that is a Calzaghe leftover in Kessler, but lets look at it, then he fight Green as shown a lesser win than many of Calzaghes and who got KOd by old G Johnson who has lost to many of the previous SMW era, Bika, another Calzaghe leftover, Abraham on a run of 2 S6 losses, and then Froch coming off a Mdec over old Johnson, where I have shown you how little that means, and Dawson, well he has no SMW pedigree at all.

You cant even argue against the like for like wins I produced or the credentials on there and have now taken a further pwning
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TheJuggernaut · Jan 7, 2013

bailey said: ↑

Because nobody has a sensible counter
Then prove otherwise. You were already stumped as you were not able to answer the questions. You owned yourself there.

One because I was comparing top wins for top wins. Calzaghes win ove Eubank was possibly his best at SMW, but I was also showing how Calzaghe has a better win over eubank than Ward does Kessler, before Calzaghe even had the Kessler fight to mention and also because of the similarities between Calzaghes fight with Eubank and Wards with Kessler ie

So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury

Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

Once again, completely different times, like with Calzaghes win over Kessler.
When Calzaghe was beating fighters like Bika and Kessler, he was old and at the end of his career, which isnt the right comparison. You dont compare a 35 year old with a long career at the end of the road with a prime 25 year old, who is fresh, and also when Ward fought Bika, Bika like Kessler was rusty and not had many rounds for a while

See this is where you mess up. You are comparing an old at the end of his career fighter to a young prime fighter. One facing against an undefeated prime Kessler world champ, the other against unwell double vision suffering Kessler who was rusty and hadnt fought a top SMW for 3 years.
Still if you go down that road, you fail to note Calzaghe looked better against Bika than Ward did. whoops

Fighters from different eras where the truth gets lost.
Consider that Froch coming into the Ward fight was coming in off a Mdec over old past best weight weakend Johnson, when Lacy had beaten Vanderpool who beat prime Johnson.
In fact to tell you how the era has changed fro the worse. Froch comes into Ward off the back of beating old G Johnson by Mdec, when sheika came in to challenge Calzaghe after beating prime G Johnson. Lacy also beat Sheika :smooch
How was Froch prime when he is 35,and who going inhad never beaten a prime SMW champ and had only had one clear world title win coming in, ie Pascal a nothing SMW and he struggles, Taylor (who did nothing at SMW) Froch was behind before the end, many feel he lost to Dirrell, he did lose to unwell Kessler, and only got a Mdec over Johnson, who is a SMW journeyman, who Calzaghe victims handled
How do you get that when Calzaghe has undefeated Kessler, not defeated unwell Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Mitchell, Veit, Brewer, Reid, Woodhall who were all SMW title holders as well as several other top 10 SMWs.
Tell me one top undefeated SMW Ward has faced
He beat Eubank at the same stage roughly in his career as Ward fought Kessler, only Eubank had a far greater resume.
He beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik and you forget Calzaghe had come up in weight to beat Jones and Hopkins, also Jones was the #6 LHW who many felt would beat Calzaghe and you also forget that there was only 3 years between Calzaghe and Jones. Forget that to

Dominating the S6?
Wards best win in that is a Calzaghe leftover in Kessler, but lets look at it, then he fight Green as shown a lesser win than many of Calzaghes and who got KOd by old G Johnson who has lost to many of the previous SMW era, Bika, another Calzaghe leftover, Abraham on a run of 2 S6 losses, and then Froch coming off a Mdec over old Johnson, where I have shown you how little that means, and Dawson, well he has no SMW pedigree at all.

You cant even argue against the like for like wins I produced or the credentials on there and have now taken a further pwning
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iceman71 · Jan 7, 2013

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He won a gold medal at light heavyweight, yet is scared to move up to light heavyweight. Why did he have to weight drain Dawson? I think he knows deep down his chin is questionable. I mean why else would he have headbutted Kessler to death? Was he scared of getting KO'd?

Will he ever emulate Calzaghe and become The Ring Champion at super middleweight and light heavyweight?
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are you the new troll in town? just shut the hell up and make an original interesting thread for once

dinovelvet · Jan 7, 2013

^^Who the **** would read that ****.

If Bailey wasn't immensely intimidated by Ward overshadowing Calzaghe's legacy he wouldn't go to the effort to think and type up all that gibberish.

Pimp C · Jan 7, 2013

LHW is a easier division than SMW is. Ward would be more dominant at 175 than he was at 168.

TheJuggernaut · Jan 7, 2013

dinovelvet said: ↑

^^Who the **** would read that ****.

If Bailey wasn't immensely intimidated by Ward overshadowing Calzaghe's legacy he wouldn't go to the effort to think and type up all that gibberish.
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I sure as hell aint.

Someones way too emotionally invested in this......im not responding to no damn book at work

TheJuggernaut · Jan 7, 2013

Pimp C said: ↑

LHW is a easier division than SMW is. Ward would be more dominant at 175 than he was at 168.
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:deal

conraddobler · Jan 7, 2013

TheJuggernaut said: ↑

I sure as hell aint.

Someones way too emotionally invested in this......im not responding to no damn book at work
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why are you being so hard on that poor little autistic boy -- "bailey"?

Rather cruel of you, Hitch.

H . · Jan 7, 2013

i think this is more of a joke thread than troll thread. how many will agree with the thread starter, that's the joke. never gets old

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