Is "Weight Bullying" real ? If so, does Bivol have the answer?

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  1. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All they need is to mandatory fight night weighs in to name and shame the weight bulliee
     
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  2. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are very few true weight bullies in boxing. If you make the weight, you make the weight. Unless you're making the weight through nefarious behavior.

    Chavez Jr was a weight bully. There are some more but he's the poster child for it
     
  3. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If a fighter can make the weight, they can make the weight.

    People who complain about “weight bullying” are always people with low boxing knowledge and/or have never stepped in the ring themselves to compete.

    It’s just an excuse for idiots to throw around when their favourite fighter gets their ass beat.
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Starving and depleting yourself to make a weight you're too big for is a detriment not an advantage
     
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  5. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    IMHO- “Weight bullying” is only weight bullying
    if an A-$ide fighter uses his name & popularity / influence to contractually drain or have a rehydration clause in order to gain an advantage over another “hungry” fighter thereby “forcing” said hungry fighter to accept those terms & sign the contract In order to make the fight.
     
  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Same day weigh-in.

    There never any good case for going the day before.
     
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  7. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    I see it as a nature gift. Some guys can cut weight and some can’t. If you follow rule and you make weight I see no issue. Boxing is never about being equal. There will always be some physical advantage that tips the favor to the other guy and size along doesn’t guarantee you are going to win.
     
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  8. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    No...

    The sport is BOXING, not weight cutting.

    Same day weigh-in is the only idea that makes sense.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm not. Rehydration clauses make a dangerous process far more dangerous. It won't stop people from drying out, it'll just get more of them killed for it.

    They should go back to same day weigh ins, but not only that, have the weigh in within 8 hours of the actual fight. Anybody dumb enough to try and cut twenty pounds of water weight and regain it all in 8 hours is just a product of natural selection at that point.

    Weight bullies will still exist but there won't be anybody like Anthony Yarde who literally rehydrates to 200lbs and fights at 175.
     
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  10. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    No boxers fight at walking weight. So yes cutting weight is part of boxing. Be it weight training, endurance , cutting weight. Also you think same day weight is going to stop someone from cutting weight ? It won’t. Only exception being the heavyweight.
     
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  11. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not sure why Bivol would even raise this issue. Zurdo is OK but nothing special, I wouldn't bet against Bivol if Zurdo was allowed to weigh in at 200 much less to rehydrate.

    The solution is angles, movement, an accurate jab, and great endurance, just like he showed against Canelo and Smith Jr.

    Absolutely, though perhaps a day before weigh in could be part of a series of weigh ins to ensure weight loss was done in a healthy, natural way.

    How lean you can get is always going to be a factor in a sport with weight classes, just like reach and twitch-iness are also factors. A same day weigh in reduces the impact and increases the element of skill and experience that we want to watch.

    I think for weigh ins that close, there should be a margin for error.

    For instance being within a pound is a fine but not a loss of belt or cancelation of the fight. I don't want an extra sip of water stopping a fight or making a guy jog off half a pound right before he heads to the venue.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    The simple answer would be to more professional. Having stricter rules for people missing weight would lead to people fighting a lot closer to the walk around weight, too. Who wants to miscalculate a water cut and have to both take more out, and rehydrate again in eight hours?

    Throwing out the divisions in-between would help too.
     
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  13. BoB Box

    BoB Box "Hey Adam! Wanna play Nintendo?" Full Member

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    I agree the heavy weight is the only weight with no exact weight. 206 - 265 . This weight division is probally the only acception.
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    Only because of previous day weigh-in.


    It did.
    And would again.
    What would be the point in cutting weight if you don't have time to put it back before the fight ?
     
  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    This.

    You are wise beyond your years, lad.

    I'm fine with morning of, but better would be 4-8 hours before ring walk.

    I could even countenance scales in the ring...between the anthems and the ref's instructions.

    That would put an end to cutting weight.
     
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