Is Wilder-Ortiz biggest Heavyweight title fight since Lewis-Klitschko?

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Is Wilder-Ortiz Biggest Heavyweight Title fight since Lewis-Klitschko?

Poll closed Jul 29, 2018.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That makes more sense. Must say I thought you were trolling when I read the title ;)

    Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the fight as well. At first I was worried that Ortiz was merely cashing out but it's become clear that he is taking it seriously, so we have a fight!
     
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  2. f1ght3rz

    f1ght3rz Ronaldoooo is crying in his caaaaaar Full Member

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    No. But one of the biggest for sure.

    I do not think Joshua-Parker is bigger in terms of excitement. Ofc if we take the money into account AJ/JP is much bigger but we should also focus on the sports and there Ortiz/Wilder is one of the biggest fights these days.
     
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  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    AJ-Wlad for sure I would say it bigger. Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely stoked for this fight but I don't think it's a huge fight at all in the grand scheme of things
     
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  4. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, 2nd only to Wilder - Nichols war.
     
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  5. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    No -
    Joshua - Klitschko

    Wlad was the challenger who got knocked out in the biggest HW fight since Lewis - Vit .
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    lol

    Here’s how the experts see it:

    THE RING MAGAZINE

    MIKE COPPINGER: WILDER KO 10

    Luis Ortiz represents Deontay Wilder’s toughest test but the champ should pass with flying colors. Ortiz, while the more skilled fighter, is a plodder and that plays right into Wilder’s toolbox. He’s fleet of foot and Wilder’s jab – along with his movement – should give Ortiz fits until he finally walks into a massive Wilder punch that ends matters in the late rounds.

    MICHAEL WOODS: WILDER UD 12

    Luis Ortiz looked like, based on his last couple performances, he’d peaked a couple years ago. He ain’t young. Thirty-eight, his license says…But have you seen pics of the dude in training? He’s basically ripped! So time to judge this book anew…or is the physique maybe window dressing and not indicative of how we’ll perform? I think he will perform better being lighter…but Wilder’s athleticism, his mobility edge, should allow him to get advantageous angles on the Cuban. Ortiz has never lost, though; he has a top-level chin. Wilder has the sort of power that is supposed to be able to crack even that level of chin. I suspect the chin will hold up; the Cuban will be able to make the distance but lose a unanimous decision.

    TOM GERBASI: WILDER TKO 10

    What got Wilder to the top will continue to keep him there. Size, speed, power. Ortiz is crafty enough to give Wilder some issues in the early going but, as the fight progresses, he won’t have the firepower to get the champ’s respect. Wilder TKO 10.

    ANSON WAINWRIGHT: WILDER KO 9

    Excellent fight, for a while we’ve wanted to see Wilder step up. Through no fault of his own, he’s been prevented from facing Alexander Povetkin and Ortiz. Not sure Ortiz deserves the opportunity because of his past indiscretions but that’s another story. Had this fight taken place in late-2015/early 2016 when Ortiz looked impressive stopping Bryant Jennings and then Tony Thompson, I may have picked him but we’re two years removed from that and he has fought just three times, against lesser fighters and Wilder has improved since then. Ortiz will also be nearly 39 and has been fairly inactive. Timing is on Wilder’s side. I think the fight may start of tentatively but Wilder will dictate with the jab and end matters late in the fight.

    NORM FRAUENHEIM: WILDER UD 12

    Wilder says Luis Ortiz has never fought anybody quite like him. True enough but it’s a double-edged opinion. Yeah, Ortiz is in for a different challenge but so is Wilder. He’s never fought anybody like Ortiz. The well-schooled Cuban knows his way around the ring. The left-hander has a varied skill set and he knows how to use it but he also a problematic past. Documented PED use and questions about his age, 38, raise questions about who will show up. The clever Ortiz? The aging Ortiz? Who knows? Wilder is emotional. That’s what make him so entertaining but he’ll have to control those emotions. If he does, his comparative youth, bigger body, overall athleticism and that hammer-like right will combine for a victory on the scorecards.

    MARTY MULCAHEY: WILDER KO

    As much as I believe Luis Ortiz is the better boxer, I can’t pick him to defeat a faster, younger, stronger and more active Deontay Wilder. It wont be easy and I expect Wilder will have to turn the fight, after the first five rounds, to come on late and score a stoppage victory in the championship rounds. Honestly I think Ortiz may be in his early-40s and he still constitutes the sternest test of Wilder’s career. Both are sad statements but I do believe this will be a fun fight for fans.
     
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  7. Serge

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    TOM GRAY: WILDER UD 12

    I am not – and I repeat NOT – sold on Wilder but, stylistically, I think Ortiz is made for him. I’ve seen the Cuban lefty fight live on a couple of occasions and he was ridiculously slow of foot. Wilder is nothing if not athletic and I think he’ll be able to find the space required to box off Ortiz and retain his title on points. The fight will be of a similar motif to Wilder’s points victory over Bermane Stiverne in 2015.

    RYAN SONGALIA: WILDER KO

    This will be Wilder’s most dangerous assignment yet but I feel the postponements have hurt Ortiz’s momentum. Wilder is in a real groove in his career, setting up his offense better, has confidence to the point of absurdity and might be the hardest puncher in boxing today. Two years ago, I may have thought differently but Wilder is in a good place right now.

    DOUG FISCHER: WILDER UD 12

    I think Wilder uses his height, reach and lateral movement to box and bomb Ortiz from a safe distance. Wilder by decision.


    BOXING INSIDERS

    JOLENE MIZZONE (MATCHMAKER): WILDER TKO

    Wilder by TKO (within four rounds) – I just think that, at this point, Wilder has gotten better and Ortiz is not going to be able to stay away from his jab, which we all know what comes after a jab: Lights out!

    DUKE MCKENZIE (FORMER BOXER/TV ANALYST): WILDER KO

    I don’t know who beats Wilder right now. Boxing is all about timing and Wilder is one of those unpredictable world champions. He has genuine knockout power in either hand and he lives up to his name with his style of boxing. He’s a wild man. He throws punches from Timbuktu but he manages to land them at the right time and destroys people. For me, he will give any heavyweight in the world – and that includes Anthony Joshua – nightmares because he’s so unpredictable. I don’t know if he knows a left hook from a jab. His chin is untested in the pros. (With) the power Wilder has, Ortiz isn’t gonna beat Wilder, Ortiz is gonna walk into one at some point. Ortiz has been so inactive. Unless Ortiz gets really lucky and catches Wilder, Wilder beats him. I can’t see any other outcome. I think it’ll be competitive for a couple of rounds but Ortiz is too predictable. I’d say this one won’t go past the eighth round. Once Wilder catches him, he’ll close the show.

    PAULIE MALIGNAGGI (FORMER BOXER/TV ANALYST): WILDER KO 6

    I see on paper it’s probably the toughest fight of Wilder’s career. People have asked for the step-ups to come for Wilder and I think Deontay has tried. This is the second time he’s tried to fight Ortiz. He’s tried to fight Alexander Povetkin. I don’t think you can blame Deontay for not fighting these top heavyweights. When they’re failing the drug tests, it’s hurting him indirectly because all these drug tests have caught the possible options and prevented him from participating in some very big promotions. If he wins the fight easily, you downplay Ortiz and, if (Wilder) gets beat or gets hurt, you start to say, ‘We knew Deontay was overrated.’ I think Ortiz is a bit more of a puncher. He has pedigree, that Cuban boxing background, southpaw stance. I think it’s interesting to see if Deontay is able to dictate with his jab the way he normally does. Obviously the straight right hand is a big weapon against southpaws. Deontay likes to dictate with that jab before he lets go of that straight right hand. It’ll be interesting to see if Ortiz is able to take that away from him or if Deontay is still able to take charge with the lead hand and set up Ortiz for the big right hands. I think it’ll be a bit of a chess match early on. It wouldn’t surprise me if Ortiz was able to hurt Deontay but I think, in the end, Deontay is a little fresher and hungry. It’s his moment right now and, if he is what everyone thinks he is, he comes through this test. I think it probably goes to the middle rounds. It could go early because, when guys this big are fighting and they’re both punchers, it could end at any moment. I just think, by the middle rounds, I just think somebody’s gonna go and my feeling is Deontay finds his range by the middle rounds. I’ll say six.

    JOSEPH PARKER (WBO HEAVYWEIGHT TITLIST): WILDER KO

    I think Ortiz will be dangerous, first half of the fight, but I’m picking Wilder to take the win.

    TONY TOLJ (MANAGER): WILDER KO 3

    I was actually was at the Garden when this was previously scheduled. What I saw was a Wilder which I hadn’t seen before, an angry man! Swinging for the fences, (the rematch against Bermane Stiverne) ended by destruction just prior to the end of round one. “The Bomb Squad” had MSG on its feet. I see Ortiz, if he isn’t suspended AGAIN, will be a tale of youth vs. experience. Ortiz is a good solid fighter but there is only fighter who will always remain undefeated: Father Time. Prediction: Wilder, round three.

    ISMAEL SALAS (TRAINER): WILDER KO

    In my personal point of view, Wilder is a favorite, in many aspects. Only one thing is against him: Sometimes he’s reckless, giving opening spots for Ortiz and he is deadly at (finding openings). In heavyweight boxing, you are always only one punch away from disaster. I think Wilder will win by early KO.

    ROBERT DIAZ (GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS MATCHMAKER): WILDER KO 8

    I will be watching this one closely, as I know both very well. I did the first 33 fight’s of Wilder’s career, from pro debut up until he won the heavyweight world title. I did seven of Luis Ortiz’s wins, which include the WBA interim title. This is a fight I wanted bad, when we promoted Ortiz, and I really liked his chances because he was active. As in many fights of this caliber, they both have their strengths and weakness. It is a matter of who can take advantage over the other. Luis Ortiz’s strength is he is fearless and has a lot of amateur experience. His weakness is his age and lack of activity over the last couple of years. Wilder’s strength is he has been more active. He has tremendous power in his right hand and his reach is, he can keep you outside until he lands the big right. His weakness is he tends to get a little sloppy and wild, at times, and his chin (is untested). With that said, I really think they will both start out very cautious of each other’s power and wait for the other to make a mistake and that can actually make this fight a tad boring until the mistake and, boom, the bomb drops and catches the opponent and calls it a night. Left, left, left, right, it is over in eight rounds via KO and Wilder defends his title. It was a couple of years too late.

    DILLIAN WHYTE (BOXER): WILDER

    I think Wilder will beat Ortiz. I think Ortiz has been too inactive over the last two, three years and he’s old. I think Wilder beats him. Everything in heavyweight boxing is timing and think he’s fighting Ortiz at the perfect time.

    VICTOR SILVA (TV ANALYST): WILDER UD 12

    I think the fight will be a lot different for Wilder, even when he can move very fast, going side-to-side using his windmill punches. Ortiz knows how to box; he is a southpaw and never has been knocked out, very elusive, with a lot of experience and the reach advantage won’t be a factor. For this reason, I think this will be a great fight that will end in a unanimous decision for Wilder.



    Final tally: 18-0 in favor of Deontay Wilder.

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  8. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No one but whiney forum ****s are pulling for Ortiz?
     
  9. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pulling for and believing someone will win are two different things.
    I think it'd be great if Ortiz won and hilarious, however the majority
    of pundits mirror my thoughts on why I believe Wilder will win.
    The ko thing I think is a bit much, Ortiz has shown nothing that leads
    one to believe Wilder can ko him.
     
  10. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, bubba, look at the forum. Maybe I should have chosen my words more carefully, but Ortiz is winning the to win polls.

    Hoping for someone you don't think has the goods is like the example of what it means to be a hater....the **** kind of excuse is that?
     
  11. N17

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    Nah, some people just want Wilder humbled, he is delusional, he has insulted other fighters, insulted some legendary fighters who he hasn't bettered in terms of achievements.

    It might be where you are from, UK boxing fans do like to see arrogant fighters slapped around and beaten up, take Khan, DeGale, Harrison and now Eubank Jr as examples.

    They have all been arrogant and somewhat delusional and a lot of UK boxing fans enjoyed them all getting beaten or beaten up.

    Same with Wilder, it will just be funny if Ortiz sparks him after all the rubbish he has spoken.

    I personally believe Wilder wins but I'd find it very funny if "Old Man" Ortiz rolls him out like a carpet.
     
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  12. PaulButlersMum

    PaulButlersMum COME ON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!! banned Full Member

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    Why does it matter to you which way around the names where lmao #geek