Is Wilder the most significant American heavyweight since a pre-Byrd Holyfield?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Redbeard7, Nov 27, 2023.


Is he?

Poll closed Dec 4, 2023.
  1. Yes

    72.0%
  2. A. Ruiz

    16.0%
  3. Toney

    8.0%
  4. Rahman

    4.0%
  5. Byrd

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Brewster

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. J. Ruiz

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Thompson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WTF has Ortiz even done as a pro for all this idiotic hype of him beating so many more established fighters in a TOUGHER era???

    I get it, it's redbeard NEETZ, the forum drama clown. But geez... How any takes him serious is beyond me.
     
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  2. KINGWILDER

    KINGWILDER Well-Known Member Full Member

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    How does this in anyway change the fact Joshua tried to fight Ortiz and he and his team (his responsibility) mucked up and declined it. If Joshua’s team had done the same thing people would be blaming him.

    Talk about bad information being spread on this forum, mr beard makes countless baseless claims about ‘fighters ducking fighters’ with no evidence and he refuses to accept reality. Ortiz lost his mandatory shot at AJ for failing for steroids, his lack of big fights is also his own fault.
     
  3. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was having this argument with someone the other day. I found that Wilder was the highest Ring ranked heavyweight active between Wlad-Fury and Joshua-Wlad, a 518 day period. And retrospectively when the dust has settled Wilder is most likely imo to be considered the best heavyweight active in the three years between Wlad-Fury and Wilder-Fury 1. Joshua was consensus No.1 among active heavyweights from beating Wlad in 2017 until his loss to Ruiz 2 years later but it was always ambiguous because he neither beat the man who beat the man or his No.1 active rival and fellow titlist Wilder.

    The only American heavyweight who has been the highest Ring ranked heavyweight in the 21st century is (funnily enough) Byrd (2005/2006). Wilder's peak ranking is 2nd.
     
  4. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My speculation is that PBC didn't want Joshua to beat Wilder's marquee win in Ortiz, who was officially 40 by that point and had been brutally KO'd by Wilder 15 months prior. It had the potential to make Wilder look bad and PBC rated 22-0 Joshua very highly at the time, plus they had their own plans for Ortiz. So they promised Ortiz a 2nd shot at Wilder that year and told his team to turn down Hearn's offer. Instead PBC gave apparent sacrificial lamb Andy Ruiz (a recent signing who'd been rejected by Arum, a Parker-victim and not one of PBC's best regarded heavyweights, hence he was a far bigger underdog than Miller had been, who wasn't that well regarded himself) the green light to face Joshua and the rest is history.

    But Ortiz was certainly desperate to fight Joshua (hence he signed with Matchroom in 2016) and had no problem fighting him at any time. I have little doubt that even at 44 he'd want Wallin's spot if he could get it.
     
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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting that Parker-victim Andy Ruiz is currently 2nd in the poll.
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder has been ranked no lower than the #3 contender in the Ring ratings since January 2015. Next month, it'll be nine straight years. Every month, month in and month out, for nine straight years never falling below #3 contender.

    Fury was removed multiple times. I believe Joshua fell down to #4 or #5 contender when he lost to Ruiz.

    Wilder has been the most consistent fixture at the top of the heavyweight division this generation ... 10 full years (522 straight weeks) in the top 10, nine of them near the very top.

    Let's see if he nudges ahead of Joshua and gets the #2 spot after the Wilder-Parker/Joshua-Wallin doubleheader.
     
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