Is Winky currently one of the best 15 fighters in the world? If so, why?

Koki Kameda

 

Erm......

If he was actually active, I would have no choice but to say yes.

But he isn't, therefore I have no choice but to exclude him. I had him losing to Hopkins 116-112, four apiece at the end of the 8th, and losing each of the last four.

 

Lets look at the past 4 years shall we. Actually lets look at the past 8 years since his disputed loss to Vargas, where since he hadn't lost a fight. He dominated Shane the first time, and then beat him (less badly) clearly again in the rematch. Shane is still on peoples top 15 P4P list even today. He then dominated Felix Trinidad who was coming off a big win over Mayorga. He beat Soliman, then Beat Quartey (who arguably beat Forrest, who I believe you had on your top 15). He then went on to fight Taylor to a Draw, that I scored clearly for Wright. Note, he's fighting at 160 because he is searching for money fights, he could still be at 154lbs where nobody could touch him. But at this point he is undisputed top 5 P4P on EVERYONES list. He then moves all the way up to 170 (first time there) and fights another P4P fighter who is coming down have you, and who is also a master at figuring guys out and using your style against you. Come fight night, Winky looks like he just walked out of a chinese buffet. He then goes on to make it a very tough fight and was actually ahead. He gassed late and gave the fight away.....which would be expected at a higher weight against a guy who is rough-housing you. This loss says nothing about Wright diminishing as a fighter, only stepping up too far from weight. So the justification is not needed to KEEP him in the top 15, You need to justify DROPPING him from the top 5 to outside the top 15 actually.

 

Good post.

 

my answer to that question is yes, the guy is tough even in losing

 

i would still consider winky to be top 15 but only just in about a year times fighters like guzman, kessler and berto will clearly be ahaed of him p4p plus he's actin like a ***** with his money demands at the moment.

 

Part 2....Absolutely. As far as him being as effective as he was in his peak, yes he could be against the current lot there. He isn't as good as he was, but he is still good enough. Who at 154lbs would beat him?

 

Decebal just post your top 15 again so I can rip into it and be done with this thread.

 

Nevermind, I'll do it for you:
DECEBALS TOP 15 P4P LIST:
1-4. Mayweather/Calzaghe/JMM/Pacquiao - take your pick; I don't care.
5. Cotto
6. Vazquez
7. Marquez
8. Haye
9. Pavlik
10. Hatton
11. Kessler
12. Dawson
13. Klitschko
14. Abraham
15. Spinks

Kessler and Hatton are both coming off losses where they were soundly outboxed and Hatton was ktfo. Who has Abraham ever beaten to justify him being there? Miranda took him through a war, and it's no secret how limited he is. Haye over Wright on a P4P sense? Come on man. Spinks has proven nothing. Beating Karmazin is ok, but he then went on to fight Taylor, and not do as well as Wright did and Spinks and Wright should be in the same weight class. How do you think Spinks would've done up at 170lbs :think You stated that Struggled with Soliman, How bad did Hatton struggle with Collazo and Urango? atsch