Is Wlad even top 20?

Vitali

 

He's on everyone's top 20, save the extremely ignorrant

 

I think that Wladimir should definately be on a top 20 list. I can't think of many heavyweights who would be able to deal with his size. He moves very well for a man as big as he is. Since he has been training with Steward he has improved on his defence. He has a strong jab, and a helluva right hand. Hopefully Haye will beat Valuev then we can have a real heavyweight title fight.

 

He has beaten some good fighters over the last few years and will sooner or later find the fights that really matter that will make or break his legacy.

 

He should be in the top 20. There's no great fighters out there for him to beat but he can just keep on racking up wins against top contenders and that will put in in good stead.

 

i'd say he's clearly top 20..

 

Most certainly top20.

 

You can discredit the career of every great HW ever if you want to. Wlad's opposition probably beats 80% of Joe Louis' oppositions. People tend to overrate fighters who go to war in the ring like Frazier or Holyfield, ignoiring that they fight this way because they have to. Fighters who are often in control of good opponents like Lewis or Wlad rarely get credit. Recently someone here claimed that Holyfield's trilogy with Bowe was better than Lewis' entire career, ignoring that Hoyllost in that trilogy as many times as Lewis in his entire career. H2H I don't favor too many fighters against Wlad on his BEST night, on his lesser nights he lost to nobodies, like other great fighters sometimes did.

 

He's in my top 20, unfortunately for him I can't see anyway he can move too far up the list, unfortunately it seems the only way is down. If he stays unbeaten then he's nailed a place in the top 20 for sure.

 

Wlad is 15-20 and below his brother. Depends on the type of loss and against which type of opposition and the stage of his career. I think his early losses hurt his legacy, also because they have gone unavenged (except Brewster, and would have been more meaningful if it had been against the "champion" Brewster).

The current opposition is extremely weak and lack the tools to test Wlad and bring him in rough waters. There is not one really deadly puncher with skill and stamina in the current division. The fact that contenders from the previous era are still fighting for the championship is a tell tale sign of the current state of the division.