Is Wlad even top 20?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Neverchair, Aug 15, 2009.


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  1. exnihilo

    exnihilo Karma Disaster Full Member

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    i like vlad and i think LL is a better BOXER-all included, and i can tell you this: yes lewis supposely would have a good chance to outpoint frustrated and unsured vlad, but i personally think this. vlad on the ouside 70-85% - against lewis with 60% and up overall on the inside game (and that includes for lewis to pass through wlad's jab, in what i see must-do for lewis to create a somewhat sure victory..

    as for ali man, i think it's just integrated part of you as a boxing fan. it's very uneasy to imagine your head beaten by your hands or eyes whatever you call it. think about that
     
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  2. exnihilo

    exnihilo Karma Disaster Full Member

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    i understand.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I'd submit that you might be a little blinkered in this issue.

    There was only one rematch.

    A fluke? Identifying a weakness in your opponent and then taking advantage over it in one of the most systematic beatings available on film at any weight over the consensus #1 or #2 HW of all time, a fluke? Christ. I've never heard that before...i can see why you might be keen to write of certain losses as "flukes" but you might want to be careful about extending that to Max Schmeling.

    I can't see Wlad above Max, ever. I don't thin there is a serious argument unless it is based soley around head to head, which is speculation, and even then Schmeling has a top drawer HW close to prime. Wlad just doesn't.

    Given that his wider resume is stronger than Wlad's and his prime losses (a shellacking to top 25 all time man Max Baer, a disputed split decision to Sharkey and a one round disaster by KO) are no worse, i'd very much like to hear an argument for his being rated in front of Schmeling's.

    One that doesn't rely upon writing off the 12 round Louis domination as "a fluke".
     
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  4. exnihilo

    exnihilo Karma Disaster Full Member

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    lewis would ****ing embarras foreman h2h imo of course
     
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  5. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson & the infamous Ruiz/Byrd eras were all worse by far. Larry Holmes defended the title against Tex ****in' Cobb, imagine the slack either Klitschko would get for giving Tex a title shot! Joe Louis fought such stiffs that he's well known for the "bum of the month club."

    YOU HAVE LOST ALL YOUR CREDIT BASED ON THIS POST AND MANY OTHERS.....ROSS PURRITY, CORRIE SANDERS WILL DISAGREE ABOUT UR THOUGHTS ON WLADS AND SO WILL MOST BOXING HISTORIANS, WRITERS, FANS, ETC...

    YOU ARE BY URSELF ON ESB IN UR PREDICTION OF WLAD AND ITS CLEAR FROM UR POSTS THAT YOU WOULD SUCK HIM UP IF GIVEN THE CHANCE..PLEASE USE BETTER FACTS TO BACK UR OPINIONS AS WELL AS YOU ARE MAKING ALOT OF THE NEWBIES LESS KNOWLEDGABLE IN TODAYS WEAK A$$ HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION..PEACE OUT :deal
     
    sdsfinest22, Aug 21, 2009
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  6. JohnAkiBoa

    JohnAkiBoa Well-Known Member Full Member

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    First, dont write with capitals you foolish Crack head and second, and who are those boxing historians, writers etc? You mean those biased dick heads living in North America saying what you wanna hear?:yep

    All you do is keep bragging those losses, thats all you got. Wlad is much better fighter today.

    Wlad will get there just like Larry Holmes with his **** poor career.
     
    JohnAkiBoa, Aug 21, 2009
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  7. richard mossley

    richard mossley Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nevermind his loses, I ask everyone name a champion who has taken as few punches as Wlad in his last, say 3 fights?
    They just cant hit Wlad.
     
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  8. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    every fighter has loses, many of which are embarassing. wlad has come back and though he's lost some aggressive tendancies he's become much more effective. as stated above, he's virtually untouchable, dominant and no matter how you slice it, it's hard to see him losing
     
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  9. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    Golota beat Byrd and Ruiz and got zero credit. Brewster was lucky against Wlad, and against Golota. And he didn't quit against a "brain dead Bowe" ... he's the one that gave him brain damage. No man could have ever put a beating on Bowe like Andrew did.
     
    Loufatski, Aug 26, 2009
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  10. Loufatski

    Loufatski Boxing Junkie banned

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    LOL! If Bowe is #14 then Golota should be top 5!
     
    Loufatski, Aug 26, 2009
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  11. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    golota was good and i think he should get SOME credit for the bowe fights but whenever he stepped up, he lost. for one reason or another. the only big fights he "won" were ruiz and possibly byrd, but that's not saying a ton. incredible talent, just didn't do a lot with it
     
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