Is Wlad just a Bute without a Froch to fight?

Some people say that Ward is a bit chinny. Froch couldn't do anything about it.

 

Still waiting to hear who these elite level fighters on Wlad's resume are.

 

Yes a fair conclusion.

If Wlad was born ten years earlier he doesn't even become Heavyweight Champion. He'd be on the scrapheap with Michael Grant and Donovan Ruddock.

 

Why is Froch so highly rated? No disrespect, the guy is a really good fighter don't get me wrong but imo a prime Byrd, Haye, Ibragimov and Chagaev was propably on a higer level.

 

Froch is British. So basically he gets spotted additional rating points here on that basis alone.

 

But right now you're discussing the possibility of some MYTHICAL heavyweight Carl Froch who would somehow steamroll the ACTUAL long reigning heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko. I think you should take this **** to the fairytale forum.

 

Bute just being some plastic bomber that was surrounded by hypedust was just as ridiculously obvious as Wlad being the opposite is. Wlads not basing his dominance on a placebo effect, alot of his opponents thought he was weak going in until they got confronted with the devastating reality that Wlado is posing. even before he got beat up a couple of times we're not talking about Magee lookalikes when speaking of Wlad strategically dismantling a technican like Byrd or Mercer type guys.. its about what these guys do in the ring and how they apply their strenght etc until those guys step up from whatever they've been fighting. and its not like these 2 were comparable before Wlad got that 'win at all costs' mentality and became over cautious in a number of fights

 

you answered your own question and no they are not on a higher level. Haye is the only elite fighter and he is a blown up cruiser weight.

When i do see wlad i do get the impression that the first fighter who is as big and with skills will beat him. Don't get me wrong he is great when he can dictate the pace with his one twos at range but when under pressure against a live opponent he will crumble.

 

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e: Wlad makes 'em look just as bad.

 

Elite = the top of the division. if they are the top and moset fighters who Wlad fought were the top of the division (not all most). so based on the definition he fought and is fighting the elite fighters of his division.

You wouldn't take away from a cyclist who wins tour defrance because his compotition this year appears to be weaker then in previous years. for the record i dont think the compotition of this heavyweight devision is any different then in most decades... the exception is there aren't 3-5 universally recongnized names like there were in the old days with lenox, tyson, holyfield etc.

To answer TSs question... that comparision is way off... did mayweather meet his forch? did anyone meet their forch? Every fighter out there has his Forch... whats your point?
For one Wlad isn't undefeated, he suffered his loses so your analogy goes to **** right there and then. for two Wlad is the top dog of the division, he isn't one of the belt holders like Bute was... there is another comparision that doesn't match.

Lawyered

 

:deal Exactly! Good post.

 

Just delusional..not worth the effort

 

Great point..spot on for my money

 

the mayweather vs Wlad analogy isn't perfect but the point i am trying to make is that the Bute/Wlad analogy is on the same level. in order to make a proper analogy a lot of factors have to be similar otherwise it doesn't work.