Is Wlad Klitschko a latter day Harry Wills?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I see certain historical paralels.

    At the moment Wlad is winning important fights but loosing fans due to his ugly but efective style. Harry Wills had also had a style that involved a lot of clinching which did not endear him to the fans.

    Dempsey Firpo is regarded as one of the most exciting fights in history but the outcome is controvertial. Harry Wills beat later Luis Firpo unequivocaly but was criticised in the press for his ugly style and compared unflateringly to Dempsey who beat Firpo excitingly but controvertialy.

    Wlads last two fights have been significant wins over ranked oponents and the outcomes have not been in any doubt but he has been criticised for the way he won.

    Wlad like Harry Wills is also becoming a bit of an uncrowned champion having been the best in the world for a long time but never getting the fights that he needed to establish lineage. This is partly due to his unexciting style.
     
  2. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wlad's style is technically deficient, simple, based on safety first and size, and has only been "effective" because Sultan and Thompson had no idea about how to fight him.

    All of the above are merely reflections of the poor state of the HW division. Klitschko would not last 5 rounds with at least 2 former HW champions I can conjur up who weighed in the 180s.
     
  3. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I wouldn't say so. His KO perfecntage is 90% which is higher than almost all champions and he stopped the very durable Thompson. On top of that, he is not being ignored for the color of his skin nor being ducked for his ability, marketibility or whatever.
     
  4. DamonD

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    It's more of a similar situation to what Lewis had - it's a boxer, but with a puncher's power. And when people see that power, that's all they want to see and the boxing can go hang.

    Wlad needs to regain that confidence to be able to mix up his game, more like he used to do in the past.
     
  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I think there are paralels.

    Wills style certainly didnt help him.

    People questioned his greatness but nobody questioned Sam Langfords greatness.

    An exciting puncher will often force the big fights he needs against the odds where a less aestheticaly pleasing but still great fighter wont.
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of what you say but but certain things have to be said.

    Based on acomplishments relative to his era, Wlad is knocking on the door of the top 20 at heavyweight, if he isnt there already.

    That of course asumes that his era is comparable to others which can never be disproved.

    Having said that I think a few past contenders who fell short might make the grade against Wlad.

    As you say, there are two former champions who weighed in the 180s plus Sam Langford.
     
  7. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I agree there are a few parallels.

    However, you have to look at the bigger picture here:

    a) Wlad is an active fighter. Current eras are always being underappreciated. Look at where Lewis was 5 years ago and where he ranks now. Marciano was written off as a skill less crude fighter who relied on his big power, waiting to be exposed after his win over Walcott. While there are enough detractors, i doubt history will be as unkind to Klitschko as it was to Wills.

    b) Klitschko has been a very exciting fighter for the first 52 of his 54 fights. The Ibragimov scrap was a grade A stinker and the Thompson fight was average, but again, let's put things into perspective. The Byrd fights are probably the most watchable fights Chris ever had. The Peter fight was spectacular and exciting all the way through. Austin was blown away by a quintriple left hook. The Brock fight was exciting with a face-first KO. Both Brewster fights were full of power punches. The Mercer fight was a slaughter. Etc, etc. He's one of those either-he-finds-the-knockout-or-he-gets-knocked-out-himself-boxers.


    Overall, his fights are good to watch. Compare it to a random set of Holmes or Ali fights and i doubt you will end up with significantly more exciting matches. Ali had his share of relatively boring fights against Young, Wepner, Bugner, Evangelista, etc etc.




    By the way, i thought you might like to take notice to the fact that Wlad's one punch KO of Austin travelled only .. 5 or 6 ? inches. A pretty short punch anyway.
     
  8. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He actually timed that to come inside Thompson's left hook. Thomspon was turning his head away which is a no-no, but a nice inside the hook right. Gotta give him credit there.
     
  9. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If Wlad is knocking on the door of the top 20 HWs then that is as much a testimony to my assertion that the HWs have been relatively historically weak.

    I disagree that you cannot effectively argue the superiority of certain eras compared to others...

    Sam would have went through Wlad. I'd bet my house, your house, and Pontius's house on that!
     
  10. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think its quintuple not quintriple?
     
  11. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Well regardless of your boxing background, you'd have a lot of explaining to do when we're living under a bride. :D
     
  12. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Newly married...? You're the one who better know how to slip and weave and block and parry!
     
  13. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No? How about Tyson? Could Tyson beat Wlad?
     
  14. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    :oops:

    That was supposed to say "bridge". Sometimes i think one thing and type the other, really weird. Always had it.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Well said.