Is Wlad the best all-time-heavyweight? NO OPINION, just PURE RECORD ANALYSIS

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    The problem with such a simpleton approach, is, most of those 27 "non-bums", are, in fact, BUMS!!!

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  2. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    That would be saying something, but there are probably worse than this.

    This knn lad (or is it a lass?) just doesn't seem very knowledgable, and adheres to the bogus system he/she invented that was designed to vindicate his/her own beliefs.

    Wlad is not a top 10 heavyweight, period.

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  3. knn

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    This a completely made up example that never happened in any record known in heavyweight boxing. It's a completely THEORETICAL ACADEMIC objection that has no relevance to my calculations.

    EVEN IF something like this happened this will be taken care of (as I wrote in my description of what my calculation software will do).

    1) The stats are not twisted, but consist of 3 simple rules.
    2) "no intelligence" is an insult you must use to feel better obviously, since you have no hard arguments
    3) "laughable claim" is an insult AND wrong since I didn't claim anything in my first post
    4) "most pathetic and contrived spin-jobs" is again an attempt to ridicule my calculations by insults.

    You complain about "laughable claims without intelligence" and the best counter-proof you deliver is an example of a boxer
    • fighting the same opponent 50 times
    • WINNING 45 times
    • and LOSING 15 times
    So much for pathetic math.
     
  4. knn

    knn amanda Full Member

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    Do they pay you for swearing? Is swearing a proof of something where you come from? Doesn't convince me. The opposite is true: Basically all of Ali's opponents crumble under light.

    And let me restate again: Ali's opponents are EVEN WORSE than what I wrote so far. Because so far I mercifully converted their cruiser records to heavyweight records. So expect a further downgrade (= an upgrade of nowadays fighters).
     
  5. ron u.k.

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    i don't really know where to start with this but i'll try.your obsessed with size and power a typical trait of the modern is best brigade.you ask how many 200+ heavies did young ko but obviously the fact he outpointed 200+ lyle twice,foreman(atg) and probably ali(no.1atg) but didn't knock them out counts for nothing by your criteria.what type of logical thinking is that? if a fighter hasn't been blessed with power and rely's on stealth and cleverness to beat his opponents then that counts for nothing he's a bum? as for being bias i admire and respect a lot of todays fighters,some today would have beat the old timers some of the old timers would have beat todays guys,you see that is whats called a considered view.unfortunately you are so far up wlads arse that for most of your adult life you haven't seen the light of day,which i suspect isn't a long time.
     
  6. knn

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    In all these fights Dempsey has not been a heavyweight but was below-200.

    BUT EVEN IF we count all these fights (by assuming that Dempsey was 200+ and that none of his opponents was bummish) then Dempsey cannot make it to the toplist because he fought just 6 times. Nobody can be in a heavyweight toplist without at least 10 heavyweight fights. I mean, COME ON: T-E-N, fights against 200+ opponents. Is that too much to ask?

    COMPARE DEMPSEY WITH CRUISERWEIGHTS not with heavyweights. Who cares how his fights were called once? Oh, the nostalgic old-time-fans care. I see.
     
  7. knn

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    It counts for something BUT IS NOT ENOUGH.

    Ron Lyle is nothing special. So a win against Ron Lyle doesn't mean too much. Against Muhammad HE LOST. Get over it.
    Foreman obviously had problems with Young's style and lost. SO WHAT? Do you want me to make Ross Puritty a non-bum because he beat Wladimir Klitschko? That's just 1 fight.

    Moreover I already stated in many posts, that deleting so called "bums" is a flaw in my calculation BUT BASED ON THE REALITY, that I have to count the stuff by hand so far. I will not delete any fighter off the record once my software is finished. Instead you will be credited LESS for a win against bummish fighter.

    BUT you are wrong: JIMMY YOUNG DID NOT BEAT HIS OPPONENTS in a convincing fashion. His non-bum 200+ record is 10-8.

    Good one!
     
  8. Rumsfeld

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    Do the following fighters on Wlad's resume constitute so-called "non-bums"?

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    OPPONENT (record when Wlad faced them) (record NOW)
    * Fabian Meza (4-1-1)(4-4-1)
    * Troy Weida (6-1-1)(44-21)
    * Carlos Monroe (8-2)(11-7)
    * Derrick Lampkins (9-3-1)(10-4-2)
    * Marcus McIntyre (15-1)(24-3)
    * Cody Koch (25-1)(25-2)
    * Najee Shaheed (16-0-1)(21-12-2)
    * Steve Pannell (33-4)(34-12)
    * Phil Jackson (42-8 )(44-13)
    * Zoran Vujecic (14-0)(18-2)
    * Eli Dixon (21-4-1)(22-9-1)
    * Donnell Wingfield (29-9-1)(29-12-1)
    * Joseph Chingangu (18-4)(24-9)

    Please advise, and if you counted all 13 of the aforementioned as "non-bums", please explain yourself. Especially given that JIMMY YOUNG is not a "non-bum" in your eyes.

    Kind regards.

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  9. ron u.k.

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    well mr boxrec i suspect we're all wasting our time here.maybe one day when you get round to watching a few fighters other than wlad (i notice he's the only subject of all of your posts) and a few old fight films you might form a true unbiased opinion of fighters and the fight game.:hi:
     
  10. icemax

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    So what you are saying is that the two round destruction of a 245 pound Willard by a 187 pound Dempsey has less validity than if Dempsey weighing 245 pounds had taken Willard to a decision. That is ****ed up by any measure. :patsch
     
  11. ron u.k.

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  12. Drexl

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    This guy is the ultimate boxrec disciple. :patsch

    :lol:

    As anyone with half a brain knows, you can use stats to prove anything.

    Butterbean had 62 wins and 1 loss at one stage of his career. By your ******ed logic, he mut be one of the greatest fighters that ever lived.:roll:
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    I already covered this with the total farce which was LaMar Clark, a man who made a career fighting overweight bartenders.

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  14. Drexl

    Drexl Your Hero Full Member

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    Yeah, but what was his RATIO? :deal

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  15. Rumsfeld

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    At one point in his career, he was 44-0.

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