Is Wrestling Taking The Martial Arts Out Of MMA?

Achilles,
These posts you're making seem true enough, but they have noting to do with the argument of whether the sport is suffering, especially in terms of entertainment, because of the dominance of the wrestling style.

 

I've already given my answer to that argument.

"In fairness wrestling is not taking the martial arts out of MMA anymore then a boxer running or a juijitsu guy clamping you in guard. It's also up to the opponent to deal with what he is presented. Guys who survive should be abused BUT if a boxer runs then cut off the ring, if a jujitsu guy locks you in guard then pass it, if a wrestler has you on your back then get up!"

Is there a dominance of wrestling. There is and there isn't. For example people are high on Chael Sonnen, talking about how good his wrestling is but forget that Maia traingle'd the **** out of him.

 

Thats got nothing to do with anything :huh

Re-read the thread, nobody is asking what youre supposed to do if you get taken down or if someone runs, its about the question of whether wrestling is too dominant - to the detriment of the sport, specifically its entertainment value.

 

I think in if your going to call this a legit sport, which it is, and "mixed martial arts" at that, then whats the sense of even arguing about wrestling being too dominant?

I stick to my belief that the cage and american rules make it too advantageous for wrestlers bringing validity to the point your trying to make. If you didn't have a cage to help you or you had knees to the head on the ground to make you think twice or didn't have crummy/easy elbows to cause a lot of damage and score lots of points to help inspire you, I would have no problem if you had the skills and/or the will to take your opponent down with your wrestling and show your skills while displaying your "martial art" to the world. But thanks to crap american rules, I like you, can't stand watching wrestlers. This isn't a real fight, it's fence-fighting, for lack of a better term. "push him against the fence" "octagon control" who is going to keep watching this garbage?

 

I think the question is kind of bonkers to begin with. When has MMA ever been "pure martial arts?"

What about boxing, does boxing take the Martial arts out of MMA?

 

Wrestling is integral, but its not everything. Think about it. Wrestling is very dominating, but other disciplines have always been very key rivals. BJJ vs. Wrestling base is always a good matchup, I tend to think of fights like Hughes vs. Penn.. Where the real difference ended up being Hughes discipline, and Penn's lack of it which made the difference.

Light heavy, seems to be dominate by guys who strike.. Heavyweight, well there are guys like Fedor and Nog who really held the upper echelon. We still have to see some more fights from Lesnar. Overeem seems to be in the picture as well.

GSP implemented wrestling into his game, it is a base he adopted, but he didn't start off primarily as a wrestler.

I sometimes wonder, if the game was dominated by another country, like Russia for example. Would we see mma more dominated by some Sambo version? Sambo by default as a discipline seems to most naturally transition into MMA as a single discipline. It just seems that the U.S. as a whole is wrestling based. If the UFC had existed elsewhere, we could be talking about some other discipline.

 

alex,
Dan Hendo is my fave fighter. I like wrestlers, just playing devils advocate here. There is a case you can make that dominant wrestlers are boring and the rules should discourage ride-time as a way to win fights. I don't agree with it, but its a case you can make. Now, the sport already has lots of rules already, so I don't think thats an issue - what is is how the promoters want to make things as exciting as possible while keeping the sport recognizable. My instinct is that fans will just have to get used to the fact there aren't going to be many CroCops again.

 

You wont see many fighters good at one discipline as all fighters in MMA cross train now. They become average at everything rather than excelling at one discipline and complementing that with other styles as fighters earlier on MMA did.

 

Dan hendo is also one of my favs. He's one of the top 5 wrestlers p4p in MMA. Yet, he doesn't like to lay n pray. Oh no, he actually prefers smoking people with right hands and knocking them stone-cold unconscious. Which is badass and cool. And what MMA is really all about if you ask me.


:deal

 

I'm sure you can't read. They are examples. I answer the question in my first line.