Ismael Laguna vs Floyd @ 135

Both sloppyish pressure fighters that take shots to land shots, Vargas has better punch technique but Hatton is stronger at his weight (ie not a fat ass when hes in the ring), faster, and more intense

 

they can fight at Pacweight then

 

I didn't actually get what yo were meaning. Now that I do, I of course disagree.

DLH's best was before he even got to welterweight. He was at his best at 135 and 140 in particular. At welterweight he was carrying more weight than what allowed him to be at his sharpest imo. He stayed there because he didn't want to live the spartan lifestyle anymore and was more comfortable not having to cut weight to make fights. Had he been a less talented fighter that couldn't afford to, he could have spent the vast majority of his career at 140 imo and stayed even longer at 135 than he did as well.

Tito is a better fighter than Corrales. Despite being bigger and hitting harder, he also is a better boxer, a straighter puncher, and applied pressure much, much better imo. Tito would never get outboxed by a Casamayor level fighter or get knocked out by a Castillo level fighter. Just because DLH outboxed him doesn't necessarily mean Floyd would. DLH basically had to run to survive at the end. Floyd who is smaller would have huge troubles escaping for all twelve rounds imo.

Why not? He has pretty good speed, a strong jab, decent defense, especially against punches that come one at a time (which is pretty much all of Floyd's punches at welterweight) and he is incredibly strong.

I actually think Quartey would be harder for him to beat than DLH. Quartey could muscle him more and probably has better power than Oscar too. A better jab also imo.

 

Quartey would stop Floyd at 147.

 

Joe Brown is past his prime but Camacho, Chavez and Whitaker weren't?

I think someone like Kenny Lane is better than a few of the guys that you have listed for DLH.

Imagine Ortiz lived in the days of split titles. I bet he would have a fair few more title fights than what he does now.

 

1. They were past prime too, DLHs fighters primes are obvious to us though. Although maybe he was further past it at 36 and his career spiralling downwards after. Whitaker was obviously still at top level

2. Possibly

3. Quite possibly, although there is only twice the belts and some fighters are more suited to weight hopping than others, I'm not sure Ortiz would be

 

1. He peaked at 147, he was just too raw at 135-140, weight wise he maybe could. But note he was still draining to make 147 and still got in the ring weighing 160 on fight night. Staying at 135-140 may have seen him drained and ko'd

2. Maybe Tito is a bit better but he still has the same weaknesses and stylistic traits. And Tito did nearly get ko'd by Castillo level fighters against Vargas, which he had to foul his way out of. And a 147lb Casa could well outbox Tito too, Casa is no joke

3. Because Quartey has less speed, doesn't fight at a particularly high pace and is an inferior boxer. He has got a decent defense but do we really think Mayweather wouldn't outmanouver and outslick him? He is stronger but I can't see him using it effectively here

4. I think Oscar can at least force the fight more than Quartey

Having said all that Floyd's only had 5fights at 147 and above so we'll have to see how he does in his next 5

 

Please tell me you're saying a 147lb version of Casamayor rather than Joel Casamayor weighing 147 lbs could possibly have beaten Trinidad???????

 

147lb version

 

no thers no footage im aware of and the Ortiz fight is only a 3 min highlight you learn nothing from it

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Laguna was past it in the second fight and thats from a huge Ken fan.

But in the first he was just a little of his best IMO. The first fight is a huge win for Ken.

Floyd does have good stamina but Ken came into his own in the later rounds and really started working also he was very gritty and could take Floyd into unknown territory

from meomery that 'jounryman' was 17-1 and a rising prospect who was supposed to be pretty decent and he fought the fight of his life against an off key Casa.

After being robbed Santa cruzkinda lost his motivation and has never been the same. I belive he was knocked out by Jackson Bonsu or somebody like that

isnt sucking someones dick a blowjob?

and i know Sweet pea obviously likes Whittaker i wouldnt say hes a hugger hes very unbiased

when Setanta go under we will be living under a rock in terms of boxing coverage

exactly what Ken will do he really raised it in the later rounds. Floyd wont tire like you say it will be a case of Buchanan turning it up.

i find that a hard thing to say even Ortiz is alot better IMO

be honest how much have you saw of Ortiz that looks like a boxrec exercise

 

Even though I agree with most of the stuff you say, Carlos Ortiz definetly has a better resume than De La hoya, Oscar's resume is overrated, some of the guys Ortiz fought were past it, but not to the extent of de la hoya. He either beat guys half his size, guys that were much older or he had disputed wins/losses.

 

De La Hoya moved up to welterweight for the marque fights. Tyszu and others at 140lbs never made any business sense. People can have their own opinions about De La Hoya's weight, etc. Steward said that De La Hoya was still a natural 140lb fighter after he took over as head trainer after the Whitaker fight. And just look at De La Hoya's upperbody and shoulders for his next fight against Kamau. He was certainly lifting weights before that fight. De La Hoya's popularity soared after his win over Chavez, and Whitaker was next on the menu. Hanging around at 140lbs never made any business sense at all. Fights with Quartey and Trinidad in the same divsion were always going to happen, and they did.

IMHO, the night De La Hoya faced Whitaker they were around the same size. If anyone looked thicker around the shoulders and torso, it was Whitaker. De La Hoya was just taller.