Israil Madrimov vs. Terence Allan Crawford & Jared Dovan Anderson vs. Martin Bakole Ilunga RBR.

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  1. ASplitDecision

    ASplitDecision New Member Full Member

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    You going too hard for a fight in which Bud was more aggressive and outlanded Madrimov. But hey he's foreign right?
     
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  2. kirk

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    The slight majority of round by round scorers in the thread, scored the fight for Crawford.

    Including two people that had literal bets on Madrimov.

    And like 8 or 9 had it a draw.

    No robbery here.
     
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  3. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    You are a classless low life piece of trash insulting a great family.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a fair point. But you know boxing, you know that when you're a top star like Bud and you're going up against a relative unknown that if it goes to the judges cards the money fighter is more likely to get the decision. I mean, I personally thought Bud legitimately won, but I also said to myself in the late rounds that as well as Madrimov is fighting, it's hard to see Bud not getting the decision.

    But I do think as well as Madrimov fought, he didn't quite let his hands go enough. And we've seen time and time again that judges generally prefer work rate over throwing a lot less punches even if you're accurate. The caveat to that is if the fighter throwing less punches and landing the harder shots is landing shots that are really eye catching and also how the opponent reacts to the shots plays a role in close rounds. The other thing was Bud was able to put punches together at times in what seemed like key moments in close rounds and maybe hs stole some of the rounds near the end. Bud took the big shots that Madrimov landed well and at times he stuck his tongue out at Madrimov and was giving the impression that he was in cruise control. Even though he wasn't, Bud was just so supremely confident in his abilities that he was able to withstand the big moments that Madrimov had and kept on peppering him from the outside.

    So don't take the decision too hard man, you're not wrong for scoring it for Madrimov. There's definitely a path there, this was one of those fights that in my view could have legitimately gone either way, and I know I've said that before and you probably don't like hearing that lol but I think that's how most fans view this. But as always I respect your passion and scoring. While we don't always agree, you obviously have made some very good predictions so you know your stuff. I personally didn't score it too closely when I was watching it live but I do think this was a very hard fight to score because of Madrimov's awkward upper body and head movement.

    So I would just say we all need some time to absorb what happened and I think there is a lot of room for debate over how this should be scored. When I get a chance I'll take a look at the specific rounds you scored for Madrimov and compare it to the judges scores and see which rounds you differ on. But this was a very entertaining night of boxing and I very satisfied with the quality of boxing we saw tonight. Just a great night of boxing all around.
     
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  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Its not just against eastern euros... its against everyone that isn't the home fighter here.

    And yes this is nothing new and happens all the time.

    That is a larger boxing corruption issue.

    I do question the notion that US is more corrupt than UK, Germany, Mexico, ect. But Ill take your word for it.

    At the end of the day, most people scored this fight for Crawford, including the official judges. If your points were to talk about corrupt US deck stacking, and not about the validity of the result of this fight, then yes, I dont think theres anyone of credibility that has ever disputed that. Its as old as boxing.
     
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  6. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Tszyu Fundora was close even when Tszyu was compromised certainly not an ass kicking like what Bud did to Spence.
     
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  7. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    She was best in the film Haunted (with Aiden Quinn IIRC) - classic English Rose, pale skin incredibly pretty, and happy to get all the goods out :D
    I think the botox descent n everything started around Underworld i think, though she's not quite as obvious as some others I prefer to see folks grow old gracefully
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I think I've explained my position clearly but I'm very tired

    I've never once said it only happens to EE or Central Asian fighters over there. We're talking about that now because it has happened to yet another one of them tonight

    I've also never once said that other countries aren't corrupt or foreigners don't get robbed in other countries too. Of course they are and of course they do. But, as said, they do not stack the deck with a home ref and three home judges for world title fights between home and away fighters in any of these other countries. That only happens in the US and it's almost the norm over there

    Almost the norm in one country vs never at all in any other country

    And there is zero pressure for Americans to have to travel to ''prove themselves'' and top Americans are the least likely to travel, whereas foreigners have to fight in the USA to prove they're legit according to many us fans and when Americans do travel they are never fighting on a deck stacked with a home ref and three home judges, whereas, when foreigners travel to the US they usually are. That's the big difference and why it's very different

    Nobody ever talked about this ^^^ on here until I brought it up. I'm the one who has spent hours and hours checking fighter's records and the nationality of the officials that's how I know what I'm taking about

    And I really never see fans talking about it elsewhere or if I do it's extremely rare. People are either completely unaware or it or conveniently ignore it, the home ref and three home judges deck stacking I mean


    But it's gone 10am here and I've been up all night and I'm operating on 5 hours sleep so I'll come back to it tomorrow or rather later today after I've been to sleep
     
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  9. Shootlow

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    Ouch!
     
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  10. 10counts

    10counts New Member banned Full Member

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    As per.. the soviet lad gets jobbed... Crawford lost. The long time weight grifter fought someone more his own size & got found out.
     
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  11. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just finished watching this on a delayed feed - great fight for the purists with some really high level defence and feinting on display.

    Crawfords reach was a big factor in his successes as I expected, it's such a potent advantage for someone as accurate and spiteful as Crawford.

    Madrimov started pretty slow, resetting a lot - though tbf Crawford was resetting a lot as well - both fighters very cautious in the first 4 rounds with it being a real chess match with neither wanting to be punished for any mistakes. Scoring wise it was very hard with so little landing clean, Bud scored a few body shots and was more active which I feel made the difference, so I had Crawford 3-1 through the first 4.

    I feel that there was a very subtle shift in the next 4, where Madrimov was starting to throw a bit more and start to catch Bud with the looping right, although not as clean as the later rounds. Again, due to the elite defences on display clean scoring shots were hard to come by - I had the middle rounds 1-3, with Madrimov signalled a bit of change around winning 6,7 & 8 on my card.

    The championship rounds were where we would usually have seen Crawford pull away and finish the show after having figured out his opponent, but this was not the case, with the fight being super competetive to the final bell.

    Madrimov probably had his best round in 9 IIRC, where Crawford showed grit and a chin after being caught with a couple of real peaches! Round 10 was closer but I think Madrimov did enough to squeak landing the harder shots.

    Bud then showed why he is elite turning things back around, winning round 11 with that sweet double uppercut, and having Madrimov holding for the first time in the fight - Madrimov showed a great beard taking those shots well.

    The final round I gave to Crawford as much based on his activity and taking the front foot and putting it on the line, although I think Madrimov scored the best shot in the round, it wasn't enough to win it IMO.

    Full card - tho probably need to watch again to be sure!

    IM v TC
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    10 : 9
    9 : 10
    9 : 10

    So on first watchback - with a bit of sleepy grogginess - I had it a draw 114: 114

    BUT this was a very hard fight to score, with very few rounds being CLEAR to either fighter IMO and lots of swing rounds, very fine margins!

    I do feel a UD for Crawford was a bit unfair on Madrimov and he deserved at least one score card in his favour, but I think that was always unlikely in the US, and I think his cautious, efficient approach probably cost him a few rounds on the cards.

    Great fight, and I think Madrimov at least desrves a return!
     
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  12. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The fact that all three judges scored it in favor of Bud, who are of course biased for the A-side, only had it by a roundx2 and 2 rounds. When only a slight majority of the scorers on this RBR had it for Bud, while 8 or 9 had it a draw. You add up the Madrimov cards and the draws, that tells the real story of this fight. Because the majority did not have him winning the fight. Yet every single ****ing shitty ass judge scored it for Bud. Lifting Madrimov's title off of him and his 0. I mean, with the diverse scores on here and Twitter, what are the chances, right?:lol: Clearly he was the beneficiary of A-side favoritism. So yes, taking the belt off of the champion, in a match his opponent didn't beat him clearly, it can be argued that it was a robbery.
     
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  13. Sonny1

    Sonny1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The good old days of boxing (sad face).
     
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  14. Sonny1

    Sonny1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly this and he didn’t even mention the top 2 boxers in the division afterwards who would absolutely murder him. Pathetic.
     
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  15. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I pretty much scored it a draw myself..
     
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