Israil Madrimov vs. Terence Allan Crawford & Jared Dovan Anderson vs. Martin Bakole Ilunga RBR.

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  1. Sampneb

    Sampneb Active Member Full Member

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    Madrimov is class. Love his jerky style, the feints were sooooooooooooo good. Really tough fight for Bud. I had it a draw, but a tight Bud or Madrimov win was fine.
     
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  2. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Tszyu has the skills to keep Bud as inactive and guessing that Madrimov does, but we will see - Madrimov was patient, his defence and upper body movement was exceptional giving Crawford very little to sniff at - I can't see that being the same with Tszyu and Crawford will walk him into traps
     
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  3. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two of those cards have Madrimov LOSING round 9, which IIRC was easily his best round of the fight!
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  5. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    This pretty much sums it up for me.

    It was a classic 50/50 fight, highly technical and a round either way or a draw would be fine...

    But as a title fight, you're supposed to beat the champ to take his belt - not go 50/50 with him and get the nod because you're the bigger name, more popular and from the right country.

    Robbery is a strong word, but there's clearly an A-side privilege at play.
     
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    My god is Almaayouf dreadful. Saudis are dumb to legitimately back him.
    "****ing ****." - Michal Bulik
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even though I only had watched a little bit of Madrimov I thought he'd be difficult for Crawford, so full props for the win. I had Crawford by four points, like one of the judges. Most rounds were competitive, but Madrimov let too many early rounds go by just feinting without end product. Very good fighter, though.
     
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  8. Sampneb

    Sampneb Active Member Full Member

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    It was a technically very strong fight. Some great defensive work by both men. Couple of close moments where both nearly connected with a huge shot, that could have changed the fight.
     
  9. 10counts

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    People genuinely had Crawford beating Canelo at 168 ... & based on what? Sweet FA...
     
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  10. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    I want to slap Steven Nelson for wearing those trunks. Ghetto culture gone too far.
     
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    :lol: Cruz got completely schooled, gawd damn. I bet on Valenzuela to spring the upset, but I wasn´t expecting this.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I thought Crawford won 11 and 12 to pull it out of the bag.

    The Boxrec amalgamation has it wide for Crawford, but what is noteworthy is that the composite only scores three rounds clearly for one or the other, the fifth and ninth for Israil, the eleventh for Bud. This was a close fight that was tricky to score and any close card is ok.

    Cries of robbery are not reasonable.
     
  13. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Exaggerated, rather than unreasonable, perhaps?

    Was a UD reasonable?
    IMHO no, it's too close for three unbiased scorers to all pick Crawford.

    A close split decision in either direction I'd be fine with, or even a draw... But a UD for either man I just don't like.

    I would expect there to be at least one for Madrimov (or even a draw card), but I don't see a UD as a fair reflection of how close that was.

    To have a UD go against the champion in an extremely tight contest... It's just a little too pat for my liking.


    To be clear, I'm not saying it's a robbery - but there's a clear A-side privilege for the home fighter in this one for it to go down in the record books as it does, IMHO.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This idea that an SD proves fairness and a UD proves corruption or favouritism in a close fight doesn't mean anything to me, if i'm honest. An SD can be corrupt too, a UD can be clean.

    The only question that matters to me is whether or not the Judge's had reasonable scorecards. They did. That's beyond dispute I'd say.

    You are right in what you say about favouritism towards what people now call the A-side. This is as old as boxing, of course, and you will tend to see very close fights determined by soil. I'm not sure what is to be done about it really, but in this instance it's just not relevant. It helps that the judge's had exactly the same scorecard (numerically) as me, but if i'd scored a single round the other way i'd be saying the same thing, trust me.
     
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  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    This is all true - just as a matter of odds...

    If a fight is truly 50/50, then the odds of all three just happening to swing the same way for a UD is 25%*.
    *(If we remove the possibility of draw cards, any specific outcome is 0.5*0.5*0.5, or 12.5% - but there are two potential UD outcomes, so 25%... If you add back in the possibility of a draw card, all those numbers get smaller and the odds get longer).


    25% chance of a UD in a 50/50 fight isn't the longest of odds, but it's long enough to raise a little suspicion if it's in the predictable direction, in my opinion - you are of course welcome to a different one!

    I'm fine with that.

    The only thing I question is whether, when there are multiple reasonable cards, I'd expect to see at least one go the other way - and in all honesty, in a title fight I'd expect at least one to give the champion the benefit of close rounds.

    Couldn't agree more.

    I think it probably is relevant, though to what extent I'm not sure.

    I have no problem believing that.
     
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