It is likely Calzaghe can stop Hopkins in 4 rounds, somewhat easily...

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  1. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Nice try!!!

    Please post the jab numbers and power punches for the real story.

    Thanks...:good
     
  2. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    But quick handed with excellent stamina and could shuffle around the ring at deceptive speed. He looked plainly slow at 170, much slower than against Jermain Taylor.

    Right, but not totally feather fisted, he had enough power to make guys get off of him per say, to back guys up and to even surprising stun a few well chinned fighters here and there.

    Thus why I said 'especially feather fisted', meaning that the post-160 fighters would just toy with him, being that he's now more immobile and now don't have to worry about being outmuscled.

    I highly disagree, the top 5 at 168 would easily deal with him. Even Pavlik will just bulldoze him at this point.

    I say this because the harder guys hit as you go up in weight, the more that shell defence becomes more unrealistic, plus he's always been open to the body and without a strength advantage, like he had at the lower weights, it takes much of his game out.

    Even though Tarver has just shown massive vulnerability to two journeymen?
     
  3. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    143 of Hopkins 152 were powershots.

    87 of Winky's were jabs.

    Again, Hopkins outworked him and landed the CLEANER HARDER SHOTS!!!
     
  4. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Don't have them, mate.

    Any stats you care to mention wouldn't justify 116-112.

    And since when do jabs don't count?
     
  5. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cleaner and harder shots mean nothing to people who want to see things a certain way no matter what the actual facts are. Maybe they were persuaded by Lederman's completely biased scoring in favor of Winky. And he even had it a draw. :lol:

    The scoring by the judges were just. 117-111 to 116-112. Domination.
     
  6. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I found them...read above.

    Compubox is all well and good, but only tells PART of the story...especially when you only have PART of the stats!

    :good
     
  7. teke

    teke Titans Time !!! Full Member

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  8. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    If those stats justified 117-111, then Winky would have had to hit him 3/1 to win.:roll:
     
  9. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Man, you have to look at how much force or power is in those punches. Watch the fight again. Winky had nothing on his punches. He was off balanced from round 1 on. He continually had to reach and was out of position when he threw. Hopkins was in command. He was the one who was in control of the ring from the start. He dictated the flow. He made Winky chase. He chose when to initiate the action and when not to. And when he did, he landed flush shots. Winky did not have a plan B. His plan was to pump that great jab of his and cover up and just come forward. It didn't work because Hopkins had a plan to counter that.
     
  10. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    What are rounds scored on???

    Clean Punching
    Defense
    Effective Aggression
    Ring Generalship

    WITH THE EMPHASIS ON CLEAN PUNCHING!!!

    If someone is throwing jabs and being countered with HARD POWERSHOTS then who does the round go to???? Its not how many you land...because go watch the fight and count how many times Winky landed clean with his....you can use your hands and feet and keep you shoes on doing it (Im kidding...kinda). You should really watch the fight for a 6th time with this in mind...you may backtrack on it being a CLOSE FIGHT!
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Come on brother, let's just relax and mellow out, enough of this heavy capitalisation strong debating. Nothing matters, nothing ever did, let's all be happy, it'll make our lives better in the end and a happy life is a life worth living and enjoying, creating a purpose.
     
  12. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Oh no WORRIES!!! I still love you and Dec!!

    You guys are cool shits...even if ya boy is gonna lose next weekend.

    :good
     
  13. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Sure, that's why both of you ****s deleted me from MSN.:bart
     
  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I never had you on MSN...in fact, Im not sure Ive even signed in on mine in years...

    :D
     
  15. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    You're allowed to hate on whoever you want, just don't play that "I used to like him but his fans............" bull****.

    I'm a Joe fan & I think Calzagne will win by UD, not by knockout. In fact I've already stated that if the fight ends in a KO it's more likely Hopkins would get the KO rather than Joe.

    Both these fighters have their diehard fans but it's no excuse to hate on the fighter himself.