It is too obvious for us to deny anymore...

Yes, lets be honest with ourselves..

Anderson silva was amazing in pride where there were steroids. And now that he is in the ufc he just looks like a sad sack of fertilizer.

Barnett took steroids in the Ufc and he JUST COULDNT CUT IT. But when he went to the pride he looked like ten times the beast he was BEFORE.

Quinton Jackson, yeah thats right brother. He's obviously been clean his entire career. **** them haters.



And liddell, he would never touch steroids, even in his stay in pride. He is clean as a racehorse, he would never even touch an aspirin.

 

He fought three times without testing. I dont know what your definition of stay is, though it is pretty irrelevant

And he didnt do too well in pride. Was champ in the UFC and not in pride where their are steroids everywhere apparently.

Belfort fought in pride too. Soo every fighter who did well in pride is a steroid addict and every fighter who didnt do as well is drug free. Interestng conspiracy theory

No i get your point.

Sure there probably is truth too the steroid claims. But your a simplistic idea that pride=steroids, while you ignore all the other factors about the change in rules, rings to cage and yada yada and not to mention some fighters improve as time goes on and while others fighter's drive lessons.

You might as well look for flying saucers in rosswell while your at it.

 

Widow has a good point, did you see what CroCop looked like his last fight, he was small and weak looking, he has lost his speed and exposiveness and is now not even a contendor anymore.Shogun was done by the second round and he couldn't keep up with griffin. And as for Silva, his game didn't depend on juice anyhow and Rampage was always a strong man. It's not to say all Pride guys depended on roids but it looks like some of them did. It's safe to say the Hammerhouse is now the slaughter house.

 

Drug testing has absolutely been a key role in who is making succesful transitions, how anybody can deny that is beyond me.

 

I'm starting to think drugs played into it. Most of the guys look smaller and weaker. They also tend to gas more easily (CC gassed against Kongo and Shogun gassed last night).

 

Even showed at the pride US shows

Gomi gets tapped by Diaz
Wandy gets KTFO by Hendo

 

Yeah, I think drugs is about 50 percent of the answer to why Pride fighters are doing worse. I think underestimating opponents, not being prepared for the cage, etc., etc. make up the other half. I'm convinced roids has the most to do with it, however.

 

EXCELLENT SMITHERS EXCELLENT! GO GET EM!:good:deal

 

DUDE DUDE DUDE! Steroids dont give you cardio!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! Cro Cop looked weak!? We clearly watched a diffrent fight as his weight was the same as it always has beenatsch

Its interesting to note that because Silva and Rampage are winning then naturally they arent on steroids?! So pray tell what was Sean Sherk doing when he got caught? And why are you blabbering on about Hammerhouse fighters? None of them are in the UFC?!

 

It sounds like you are in total denial! The point of the hammerhouse is with drug control you won't see Coleman or Randleman ever again.

 

Erm but we knew that ages ago? They departed from the UFC around 2002 when the NSAC started taking more control.Its common knowledge that Hammerhouse juice so i dont see how using them as a blanket example of PRIDE legitmizes your example of drug use in PRIDE?!?!? atsch I sincerely doubt Dana will ever resign old vets like Coleman Randleman Sims or Baroni back in the UFC.

Now the UFC has drug control so how did Sherk slip through? I tell you how because he missed his cycle thats why.Are you that naive enough to think that no UFC fighters are on gear? Gear is rife in MMA and that includes ALL the big organisations not just PRIDE.Im not sure if the NSAC do random testing but im pretty sure they dont because if they did you`d find far more fighters on 1 year bans.

 

Fighters have looked visually worse as well. Crocop looked a little sucked up, and to my knowledge has admitted to dabbling in performance enhancers. Shogun has been looking like he hasn't even ran a mile in a couple of years and is frequenting burger king.

Dan Henderson looked like a beast against Rampage.. Rampage looks the same, so I'm not sold. Wanderlei Silva always looks the same.. Soo.. Maybe it's true for some fighters, another aspect is that Shogun has been physically looking like he's been drinking hot dogs and eating milkshakes for breakfast lunch and dinner.. Maybe just got complacent and doesn't get up for big fights?

 

Um, he didn't, Sherk is suspended pending an appeal?

Note who the most succesfull transfers from pride have been, A Silva and Rampage, what do they have in common, besides being black, and its fairly easy to believe that they were clean?

They both had extensive experience in cages.
Rampage=KOTC, WFA
Silva=Cage Rage, ROTR

Drugs play a part, cage plays a part.