It is too obvious for us to deny anymore...

Cardio in an MMA fight isn't synonymous with cardio on the track. It is about muscle endurance, having the heart and muscle strength to be able to use your strength through aerobic activity instead of anaerobic activity. Steroids can help.

Plus, who says that the Pride fighters were only taking anabolic steroids? Amphetamines and such wouldn't surprise me a bit.

 

Right so tell me where do the steroid accusations fit in? .. Let me see Rampage and Silva are fairly easy to believe they are clean.. based on what? Did the stars aline themselves in heaven when you had this moment of clarity?:rofl

Wether its in a phone booth a card board box or a beer crate on the moon a fight is a fight is a fight.CC lost because of his arrogance and Rua lost because like Gomi he didnt even train for this bout and was gassed after one 5 minute round.Considering he was used to 10min opening rounds in PRIDE do you think the steroids helped make his breathing better and aided his cardio? Nah didnt think so..

 

Dude cardio is cardio.It doesnt matter what sport you in good cardio is the ability of your blood to be able to get oxygen to your muscles efficiently and quickly.Steroids dont do that.Theres no pill in the world that miraculously increase your cardio other than good old fashion hard work.So until you show me some concrete proof that PRIDE fighters are ALL on gear and UFC fighters are not id suggest we call this lousy argument a day.

 

Well yes, plenty of performance enhancing drugs do help your cardio, why else would cycling have so many dopers?

I don't know for sure if Silva and Rampage were clean or not, but neither one, especially Silva, ever really looked roided, although thats not a great indicator, so who knows.

For whatever reason those who lost did in fact lose, it really doesn't matter, not preparing yourself physically is no different than not training for skills is no different than having a bad gameplan, all are equal parts of being a good fighter.

 

HAHAHA!

Until I show you concrete proof that pride fighters are ALL juicing and UFC fighters are not it's a lousy argument?

Well then, I'll change my argument. For SOME reason, Kongo can whoop Cro Cop and Forrest can dominate and submit Shogun.

 

Name me some.Iv got a fat guy in the ABA`s whos cardio is poor il give him some of your miracle juice. Most people that are cycling are cycling hormones and steroid precursors.As for the steroid physique thats BS.Barnett and Bonnar were both on gear.Neither have the body of an adonis.

As for your second point its what iv been saying all along.Only diffrence is most UFC dick lickers have jumped on this steroid mantra.

 

It is a lousy argument as its merely conjecture based on NO CONCRETE PROOF WHATSOEVER. Theres not a shred of credibility to your assertions.

As for Kongo beating CC so what? Kongo lost brutally to Gilbert Yvel.By that same token im assuming Yvel must be a better fighter than CC and Kongo? Naw i didnt think so..

 

1. EPO

2. Cycling as in bikeriding, not steroid cycling. The winner of the last Tour de France was busted for......Testosterone. Why would a sport entirely dependent on cardio be one of the dirtiest sports in the world if doping didn't help with cardio?

 

damian55 is right just because they have had poor performances does not mean everyone in Pride is on the juice and to those saying that is why fighter gassed is ridiculous. Steroids do not help your cardio in fact it can make it worse. And people say the proof is the poor performances or Cro Cop and Shogun among others. Shogun fought twice for Pride in USA and looked great finishing Overeem and Randleman he was tested probably both times.

Sure some guys in Pride must have been using the stuff but there are guys in UFC who do too. Some may have been caught but the fact is that it will always be part of the sport. Doctors have come out and stated that they supplied Holyfield with steroids yet he has never been caught. Remember Anderson Silva and Rampage have been very successful and they came over fought in Pride so because they have had success in the UFC they must have always been clean while Shogun and Cro Cop have been poor so they have obviously been on drugs?

Like Dwain Chambers said drug makers are always a step a head of the tests so don't fool yourself in thinking that if they fight in the US there clean it impossible to know if steroids played a part in the success of the Pride guys so there is no point making assumptions. I still give full credit to Shogun and Cro Cop for winning the GP in 05 & 06. I think it was clear Cro Cop came for the money he was offered the Fedor fight which had he won would have cemented his status instead went to the UFC claiming he would win the title and by new years fight Fedor to unify. This clearly shows he went for the money and was over confident thinking the UFC title was his to take.

Many people have said if you fight for money you won’t win Nigel Benn said it as it shows you haven't got the hunger which is something you need to reach the top. There are a lot of factors why these fighters have underperformed it doesn't mean that it due to them quitting steroids.

 

There are two ways to compare to find which is the "better" fighter.

For instance, in my opinion, Antonio Tarver is a better fighter than Roy Jones. Is his career as stellar? Absolutely not. Can he beat and dominate the same guys that Roy Jones did/can? Absolutely not. But Tarver is better than Jones. It doesn't make him better than the people that Jones is better than.

Vernon Forrest is a better fighter than Shane Mosley, because he BEATS Shane Mosley. Mayorga is a better fighter than Forrest because he BEATS Forrest. This doesn't mean Mayorga is better than Mosley, however.

Either way, when you beat a fighter, you move up, and he moves down. It normally makes sense that you move up HIGHER than him.

There is SOMETHING going on though, you have to admit. I don't want to flame back and forth with you for no reason. Cro Cop looked bad. Shogun looked bad, this was supposed to be a gimme for Shogun. Lot's of people thought Forrest was being fed to the wolves for losing to Jardine.

There's some reason, and it MIGHT not be performance enhancers, but there is SOME reason that these top tier fighters aren't fighting at a top tier level. The best excuse for someone who is a pride fan and refuses to see reality is that the cage and rules are so monumentally different that pride guys automatically lose. There is merit to this, but it's almost certainly not the all of the discussion.

There were few times in their bout that Shogun had the opportunity to try a stomp even if he could.

The fact that stimulants weren't aggressively weeded out lends to the probablity that people took them. Everyone wants to win. In baseball they do it because they don't get in trouble. It only makes sense that they would do it in pride too. Do you think the fighters have so much integrity that they won't do something even when it will clearly give them an edge, or, in a worse case scenario, if it is the only way to compete on a level playing field with all of the other juiced athletes.

It's probable that lot's of those pride guys juiced, that was a given no matter WHAT happened in the fights between Pride and UFC fighters. Some of the premier Pride fighters performances are just more evidence for what is already pretty obvious.

 

Exactly. People hear "juicing" and they immediately think only anabolic steroids that will make you big like a pro wrestler. There are shitloads of illegal stimulants that can help you in more ways than one.

 

Because hormones increases musculture endurance. Dont get this confused with anaerobic exercise as there not the same. Muscular endurance is essentially a measure of raw strength or the bodies abillity to maintain an activity for a period of time before failure. Hence why the tour de france was a farce. Steroids arent just mass builders overall there performance enhancers. As iv said muscular endurance is a combination of aerobic and anaerobic activity. BUT most bodybuilders are on gear thus by your reasoning there cardio surely must be good because it is a resistance activity.. Negative. Cardio is the bodies ability to carry oxygen in the blood from the heart at a consistent rate.This can only be attained by aerobic exercise. IE any excercise that increases your heart rate substantially.

As for EPO this MUST be combined with aerobic activity.And for the record EPO isnt a steroid.Its a red blood cell precusor and is generally used for increasing the volume of your blood thus by the same token increasing the oxygen in the blood.

 

Thats because the term "juice" is synonymous with steroids.. NOT illegal supplments or hormones. No one said Diaz was "juicing" when he beat Gomi! The bout was changed to a DQ because of weed!!!!atsch

 

You are ignoring the important part of the argument.

Fine, perhaps they weren't all "Juicing", though, it would make a ton of sense that some of them were. Maybe they were just using other performance enhancing drugs.

Really, it's the same **** with a different name. If Floyd Mayweather were taking a drug that made him faster, but was illegal and wasn't technically a steroid...

 

1) Right, thats my point

2) What. The. ****? Bodybuilders use specific drugs with a specific program for a specific purpose, so do fighters, and they are totally different.

3)I never said it was, I said it was a performance enhancing drug.