It just doesn't make sense.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CarlesX7, Mar 27, 2010.


  1. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    My take on what happened.

    First of all, the DQ was just, as boxing rules are different than those of MMA and arguing about Dirrell faking it or not is irrelevant. This was not a street-fight. Abraham hit Dirrell with a clean power shot when Dirrell was on his knees, defenseless and not able to see the punch coming. If that isn't a DQ according to the rules, I don't know what is.

    But on to the points:

    1. Did Dirrell win at least 7 of the first 10 rounds by clearly outboxing Abraham, knocking him down (for the first time in AA's career) at least once, while landing more punches than Abraham actually threw? - Yes.

    2. Did Abraham complain to the ref for LEGAL blows to the body numerous times, which made him look like a *****? - Yes.

    3. Is Abraham a ferocious puncher, probably the best puncher @ 168? - Yes.

    4. Did Abraham land a full-force power shot on Dirrell's chin, while he was on his knees and defensless? - Yes.

    5. Does Dirrell have an only-average chin? - Yes.

    6. Considering points 3, 4 and 5, does it make more sense to claim Dirrell just faked, than to say that Abraham's shot actually hurt Dirrell? - NO.

    Taking a clean power shot that you didn't see coming from a puncher like Abraham, and not getting hurt, doesn't make sense.

    Feel free to correct me if you disagree with any of the above.
     
  2. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I guess people were thrown off because Andre didn't go limp.
     
  3. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Soto punching while Lorenzo was down is also a DQ accroding to the same rules.

    But Joe Cortez is taking a lot of **** with that decision.
     
  4. Kevin_Wright

    Kevin_Wright King of Awesomeland Full Member

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    Why would he have faked it? ? ?
     
  5. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    I don't remember being asked about my opinion on the Lorenzo fight, and claiming it wasn't a DQ.
     
  6. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    He was starting to be tagged a lot in those last 2-3 rounds than the whole fight.
     
  7. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok so here is the question.

    In you very own opinion, do you think it was a rightful DQ?
     
  8. borj

    borj the Pacific Storm Full Member

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    I agree. i remember the sotto-lorenzo fiasco. sotto did hit him while he was down, that merits a penalty.however, what penalty is to be determined. If lorenzo came back up and says, "i need some time, but i will continue", that'll merit just a point deduction. But what happened was, lorenzo (clearly can continue) did the bizarre thing we are afraid of, he stayed down. If a fighter says i cannot continue, the ref has no choice but to disqualify the opponent, just like in the concepcion-luevano fight (luevano, according to him, couldn't continue).

    so in a sense, those who are calling that dirrel faked it (and i believe he didn't), just wants the same as sotto and concepcion wanted. but as i've said, in this case, it was legit
     
  9. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Although I don't like Cortez one but, I can't argue with his decision. The blow did come way after Lorenzo was down and it did land on the back of his head.
     
  10. borj

    borj the Pacific Storm Full Member

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    I fault lorenzo more than cortez. Had he continued (which definitely he could), only a point deduction will be slapped to sotto. but he stayed down. cortez had no choice
     
  11. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Right, he didn't. Unlike all of ESB's masterminds that easily cry "fake" about Dirrell, Cortez couldn't just tell Lorenzo "nah, yo ass is faking it, get up and continue the fight you *****".
     
  12. borj

    borj the Pacific Storm Full Member

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    that would be racist.. and funny as hell:lol:
     
  13. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with most, Carles, but not 4.

    That wasn't close to "a full-force power shot ".

    Had it been, no way Direll is conscious again that evening.

    However, it had some mustard on it, and probably more than enough to do what it did, without any faking.

    The DQ was completely justified. And there was little evidence of faking.


    AA ****ed up here.
     
  14. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    Just saw a gif of the punch in slow-motion, you're right, cuchu. Not full force, but pretty hard to snap Dirrell's head. Looks ****ing legitimate anyway.
     
  15. hmi

    hmi Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Abraham hit Dirrell while Dirrell was on his knees. It doesn't matter whether Dirrell faked his act after that or not. The DQ is the right call.