It wasn't a robbery like Marquez vs. Pacquiao III, but I believe Trout beat Alvarez.

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  1. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    You can only score a 9-9 round if the round winning fighter loses a point for a foul.

    If you think Trout won the 7th other than the knockdown (which is surreal, considering Alvarez hurt him four or five times in that round), then it would be a 10-9, with Alvarez still taking the round. You have to credit to knockdown because it is, other than a knockout, the single best thing you can do in a fight. Scoring a knockdown automatically wins you the round, it's only the extent to which you control it after that alters the margin of the score.

    So, whatever your opinion, 9-9 doesn't make any sense as a score. You've basically given Alvarez no credit for that incredible punch.

    If both fighters had scored a knockdown, then a 10-10 would be appropriate if the round was even otherwise. But if one fighter scored a heavier knockdown or controlled the rest of the action, you should give it to them 10-9.

    Good example, Martinez-Williams I. Both guys scored a knockdown in a largely even round. Williams' was largely the result of Martinez being off-balance. Martinez hurt Williams pretty badly. So, that would have been a 10-9 to Martinez, but a 10-10 would have been reasonable too.

    Too much credit is given to simply throwing punches. I always look for who's landing the quality shots.
     
  2. weegriffin

    weegriffin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In a round were a fighter is knocked down, wouldn't he need to dominate the rest of the round big to even it up? I felt the round was still close and competitive for the remaining time left in the round.
     
  3. elbrujito

    elbrujito Well-Known Member Full Member

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    take the knock down out of the round and its probably a trout round - i still scored 10-8 canelo something fairly amazing has to happen for me to score a knockdown round level

    i had the fight level at that stage with the 10-8.

    i also dont like scoring even rounds so will pick a winner either way mostly

    in the end i had trout by 1 but after the judges scores came through in the 9th i sort of lost interest in it
     
  4. Solaris

    Solaris Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exactly. People are taken in by work rate and forget to look at the actual quality involved.
     
  5. craney91

    craney91 Boxing Addict banned

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    how you score the fight taylor?
     
  6. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    I had Canelo up by three points. Tough to score and very competitive, but with the knockdown I don't see anyway Trout bagged enough rounds to take a conclusive win.
     
  7. knighty

    knighty Active Member Full Member

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    I see your point but i score on defensive work also. Making the other fighter miss and returning with something more significant. It was laughable sometimes the amount of punches trout was missing with.

    Donaire last week was throwing more but u wouldnt of scored it for him would you?
     
  8. craney91

    craney91 Boxing Addict banned

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    Agree it was a close fight, no way did Canelo win it by 9 rounds.

    Similar fight to Bradley-Pacquiao in the scoring. Trout looked busier in rounds (even if he didnt land a lot or hit hard) where Canelo didn't do a lot, I can't see how you can score Canelo those rounds.

    I've never got that in boxing. Surely you have to reward the busier fighter if the opponent did nothing of note?

    This happened a lot in the Bradley-Pacquiao fight, especially in the latter part of the fight. Bradley didn't land a lot, and threw away a nothing jab all fight, but he was busier in rounds where Pacquiao was quiet.
     
  9. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For me the surprise of the fight was Canelo was the guy with the head movement and it was Trout that was hitting fresh air more.

    Just too slick and ginger for Trout to handle:deal
     
  10. craney91

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    :lol:

    Gotta admit the KD was sublime, it threw Trout half way across the ring, he nearly folded himself in half! Canelo has got scary power.

    ....and when Canelo made Trout miss about 5-6 punches in a row and pivoted away smiling.
     
  11. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would love to see him land one like that on Floyd :hey
     
  12. JonnyBGoode

    JonnyBGoode Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly my thoughts, if someone is expending energy and being made to miss or hitting gloves then being hit with clean and crisp punches in return you have to favour the skill and technique of that fighter over the one working harder but to little or no effect.

    People that scored the sturm/macklin fight to macklin also failed to take into account that macklin for all his endeavour didnt land hardly anything cleanly in the last 7 rounds while sturm rocked him with accurate shots even if it appeared macklin was throwing more.
     
  13. African Cobra

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    I cannot view this verdict as a robbery. Whilst it is arguable that Trout could have won on points no doubt the true story was Canelo's excellent defensive skills.
     
  14. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    If all Alvarez had been doing was covering up and running around the ring, fine. But he stood in range a lot of the time, making Trout miss. He did some sublime work which neutralised Trout's jab and combinations. That deserves credit in a tight round.

    Canelo was doing something - he was making Trout look inept at points.

    I don't think there's a claim of robbery, but I do think Trout did really well. He didn't get trounced or anything, so it'll likely set him up for other fights.
     
  15. Jack

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    I had a three points gap too. I really don't think it was that close; Trout put in a lot of effort, threw lots of shots but Alvarez was very good defensively and when he went on the attack, found Trout easy to hit. Had Canelo been busier in a few more rounds, I think the decision would have been a lot wider and the closeness of the card is favourable to Trout, who was outclassed. It could have been a lot more one sides than it was.

    Trout gave his all and it wasn't enough. I don't think Canelo pushed himself too hard and won most rounds easily enough. He's the classier, more skillful fighter and fully deserved the win.