It's 1986, Mitch Green just lost to Tyson...

He was an accomplished amateur, but one of those four NYGG titles was sub-novice (which means zero fights when you enter) so that's not quite the same as four open titles.

Mark Breland won five NYGG open titles.

 

Mitch didn't win it in 1978, lost on a fluke cut stoppage.Eddie Gregg won that year, and made it to the AAU's where he pulled out from fighting Greg Page(smart move).

 

I hope we can at least agree that this showed he had some talent...

 

Absolutely -- just the post saying his four NYGG titles was unprecedented isn't accurate when Breland had five; and one of them being sub-novice, well, that isn't like winning the open division four times.

He was one of NBC's "Tomorrow's Champions" and had potential ... but not IMO world championship potential.

Tough guy, solid chin (maybe concrete chin). If he had applied himself, who knows.

But to the topic, well, Green was unmanageable. This guy got his driver's license suspended like 57 times. People are very rarely one thing in one part of their life and something entirely different in another -- undisciplined is undisciplined. As far as matchmaking him, he was completely unmanageable. He didn't fight for like seven years after the Tyson fight. I don't think it was for lack of creative matchmaking. It was more like trying to find him and keep him clean and in the gym and focused on being a fighter, which he wasn't.

 

The problem back then in that division was how often the name guy was pulling out of scheduled fights. That's when an ace promoter may bail things out. But Green was not going to benefit from optimal matchmaking and every one else was positioning themselves for the Tyson sweepstakes payday. Green needed a few guys to fight that would have been taking a risk. That's if Mitch himself would have had the self discipline to put together a nice fight 3 guys in 13 months to put himself back in the scheme of things.

He was swimming upstream all the time. And a chameleon can change colors allright, but its still a lizard. it isn't a caterpillar becoming a butterfly type evolution and that's kind of what was needed.

Tough tough sledding and mr. King was simply going to have to be in the driver seat at all times. And that was never going to work out either.

 

that is true, its mentioned in Tysons autobiog, Jacobs liked the idea of a grudge match and told Green to get a few wins under his belt, get sanctioned, then hell get his rematch, greens reply was that he didnt need any warm ups and he wanted Tyson asap, he also said fighting for lower purses was beneath his dignity.

The rematch didnt happen because of Green

 

You are talking about amateurs I'm talking about pros, apples and oranges, that's like taking the best little league player in the country and putting him in the batters box against the Detroit Tigers, Jason Verlander, lol it won't work out..

 

if mike tyson calls you crazy then boy you crazyier than a **** house rat

 

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Tyson was actually not there, but they edited in archival footage of a past episode where he was in the audience for humorous effect.

 

If I was his manager, I would have Green fight easy marks post Tyson Perhaps a guy Tyson had already beaten, then hope Green beats him faster. After that wait for Tyson to offer a title shot.

 

Bonecrusher Smith was the perfect opponent, but Don King screwed him out of that.

 

you gotta be shitting me IB?

 

I always liked Green, he was funny as hell, but I don't remember him ever truly being mean spirited. The guy had talent, to bad he didn't really apply himself.

 

Nope. You got hoodwinked by a Lil' Good Ole TV Magic. :yep

 

i refuse to believe the truth :smoke