It's absurd that people think Floyd has declined more than Pacquiao

your just going off punch stats?? so he doesnt throw as much anymore or the opponets style didnt let him do what he wants...how does that say he declinded more/same as mayweather??

I dont get this at all.

They both have declind some but both still dangerous. Pac looks like he doesnt have killer power anymore ( i think he was juiced) but still has speed and footwork. Mayweather's defense is still great but not as much and doesnt move as much as he once did

 

Most people devaluating Mayweather right now are just hopefull that he his.

 

Compare the Mayweather you've seen now to the one in the past. People at like Mayweather of 2010 was him at him peak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEygiw_tDFk

 

In 2011 he averaged 652 punches

In 2014 he averaged 616 punches

Is the change between then and now really that significant?

For years 2011-2012, he averaged 685 punches.

For years 2013-present, he averages 674 punches.

Is the change between then and now really that significant?

I do not include Marquez 4 even though he was on track land between 500-600 punches, which is around his average fighting Marquez.

Overall, Pacquiao is still throwing close to his 2011 self, even when fighting lesser competition which I wouldn't be surprised has hindered his motivation.

Also, I think Mayweather's slippage is more in his legs than his punch output or accuracy. He's less mobile and is more susceptible to being on the ropes. I would look more on the comparison of Maidana's success landing on him both fights compared to his 2010 self. I'll save you the time though. It's common knowledge that Maidana is now ranked #1 in opponent's who landed most on Floyd.

 

This is not a very good study at all, no offense.

The 2 fights where he threw over 1000 punches were against dudes who either chased him, or stood in front of him. Clottey went into turtle shell mode and I think an 80 year old Pac would've thrown 500. Margarito was getting his ass kicked so badly, Pac could throw at will.

Now compare that to Algieri who literally ran the entire fight and Bradley who has a quick style that makes it difficult to time your punches.....there is your answer.

 

He was hungrier, he was having to prove himself, he was also fighting punching bags. However, they were really good punching bags. Meaning, it was still a great victory. Especially Margarito since he was getting a belt in his 8th weight division.

Where's the motivation for Bradley, Rios, or Algieri? I mean seriously... it's hard enough to get people motivated to watch it, ha!

He knew he'd beat all of them easy and he did. I truly believe it was just lack of motivation. There's been rumor from inside Pac's camp of people saying he hasn't been very motivated the past 3 fights really.

I don't doubt it. He came into Bradley 2 horribly conditioned. And Rios and Algieri are not on his level, and he knows it. Apparently, the only guy really left that would give Pac the same fire and thrill to fight like a ODLH or Cotto is Mayweather. Reason why he's starting training 2 weeks early. I don't disagree, but I think Marquez 5 would also be a fight Pac would be motivated for.

 

I agree, but how do you know he wasn't conditioned for bradley 2?
I've agreed with the majority of your posts, even the skeltal post, but that one, I'm going to ask a mentor, not just for this fight curiousity, but if that is true about the marrow/rbc correlation. I know it's not phrenology, but I'm not quite sure about the entire truth of that study.

However what you are saying about motivation seems spot on.

 

Stupid thread but here I am lol. How about this... Mayweather looked like shlt in two fights vs. Maidana. In Pac's last 3 fights he's had 2 shutouts and lost only 2 rounds in the other fight (Tim Bradley). For what it's worth he won just as many rounds rounds vs. Bradley in their first fight but was robbed. Don't let the 4th Marquez fight fool you.

 

It's not that he wasn't conditioned, I just don't think he was in his best shape. He just didn't look himself. He was very flat-footed all night, and he wasn't bouncing on his toes like he was against Algieri. I heard he had a cold that night, so maybe that was it. Justine Fortune even admitted Pacquiao was in a whole lot better shape for Algieri than he was for Bradley.

And go ahead! I'm a huge science geek and it all sounded theoretical sound to me, but definitely verify. That's how you figure out the best truth, best prediction. By ****yzing, ****yzing, ****yzing.