It's clear people don't understand what the consequences of being drained are

Arcane · Sep 9, 2012

Requiem4Hvywht said: ↑

Some of you are under the impression that the only characteristic in being weight drained is having a weaker than normal chin.

This has led some of you to argue that a fight between chad and Andre at 175 would be the same but without the stoppage.

That argument is the most ridiculous nonsense I have read on a boxing forum in a long time.

First of all when you over train or in chad's case are weight drained the resulting ramifications are many: You have no energy, hence the fighter appears lethargic.

Your reflexes are extremely dulled, hence many fighters are often mistakenly believed to be washed up or over the hill.

Dull reflexes means you can't pull the trigger, your punch output and accuracy becomes very low.

You are incapable of getting a second wind.

Your legs will feel weak and you tend to get knocked down more. It is common for drained fighters to go down but not necessarily be hurt in the traditional sense.

But once seriously hurt drained fighters have no ability to recover.

Now for anyone to argue that chad would have lost the fight at his natural weight because ward's tactics and execution are simply on another level is either a moron or so bias that they fail to recognize that the drained fighter is completely incapable of caring out any tactics.

He is lethargic, cannot pull trigger, being hurt by punches he normally takes, and and does not have his legs under him so he can't punch with power.

Now if you believed before this fight that ward was better than Dawson even at 175 you could be correct.

But nothing in this fight substantiates that opinion. Ward's tactics and execution of said tactics cannot be judged because he had a dead man walking in front of him.

The simple fact is chad had no ability to carry out a fight plan so no one can judge how a fit chad copes with a fit Andre without it being nothing more than pure speculation. Only a fight with a fit chad reveals those answers.

Anyone who claims otherwise is being intellectually DISHONEST!
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Excellent post.

Capitan · Sep 9, 2012

Requiem4Hvywht said: ↑

Some of you are under the impression that the only characteristic in being weight drained is having a weaker than normal chin.

This has led some of you to argue that a fight between chad and Andre at 175 would be the same but without the stoppage.

That argument is the most ridiculous nonsense I have read on a boxing forum in a long time.

First of all when you over train or in chad's case are weight drained the resulting ramifications are many: You have no energy, hence the fighter appears lethargic.

Your reflexes are extremely dulled, hence many fighters are often mistakenly believed to be washed up or over the hill.

Dull reflexes means you can't pull the trigger, your punch output and accuracy becomes very low.

You are incapable of getting a second wind.

Your legs will feel weak and you tend to get knocked down more. It is common for drained fighters to go down but not necessarily be hurt in the traditional sense.

But once seriously hurt drained fighters have no ability to recover.

Now for anyone to argue that chad would have lost the fight at his natural weight because ward's tactics and execution are simply on another level is either a moron or so bias that they fail to recognize that the drained fighter is completely incapable of caring out any tactics.

He is lethargic, cannot pull trigger, being hurt by punches he normally takes, and and does not have his legs under him so he can't punch with power.

Now if you believed before this fight that ward was better than Dawson even at 175 you could be correct.

But nothing in this fight substantiates that opinion. Ward's tactics and execution of said tactics cannot be judged because he had a dead man walking in front of him.

The simple fact is chad had no ability to carry out a fight plan so no one can judge how a fit chad copes with a fit Andre without it being nothing more than pure speculation. Only a fight with a fit chad reveals those answers.

Anyone who claims otherwise is being intellectually DISHONEST!
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Does your logic hold the same regarding the Cotto Pacquiao fight?

djmaso · Sep 9, 2012

Great Post, this is especially true with more naturally leaner fighters like Dawson

MoJoGoodie · Sep 9, 2012

So basicly Pac's resume is complete shyt!?

dmille · Sep 9, 2012

Nobody put a gun to his head. He could have said fight at 175 or nothing. He made a choice.

pipe wrenched · Sep 9, 2012

Good stuff.

iceman71 · Sep 9, 2012

Requiem4Hvywht said: ↑

Some of you are under the impression that the only characteristic in being weight drained is having a weaker than normal chin.

This has led some of you to argue that a fight between chad and Andre at 175 would be the same but without the stoppage.

That argument is the most ridiculous nonsense I have read on a boxing forum in a long time.

First of all when you over train or in chad's case are weight drained the resulting ramifications are many: You have no energy, hence the fighter appears lethargic.

Your reflexes are extremely dulled, hence many fighters are often mistakenly believed to be washed up or over the hill.

Dull reflexes means you can't pull the trigger, your punch output and accuracy becomes very low.

You are incapable of getting a second wind.

Your legs will feel weak and you tend to get knocked down more. It is common for drained fighters to go down but not necessarily be hurt in the traditional sense.

But once seriously hurt drained fighters have no ability to recover.

Now for anyone to argue that chad would have lost the fight at his natural weight because ward's tactics and execution are simply on another level is either a moron or so bias that they fail to recognize that the drained fighter is completely incapable of caring out any tactics.

He is lethargic, cannot pull trigger, being hurt by punches he normally takes, and and does not have his legs under him so he can't punch with power.

Now if you believed before this fight that ward was better than Dawson even at 175 you could be correct.

But nothing in this fight substantiates that opinion. Ward's tactics and execution of said tactics cannot be judged because he had a dead man walking in front of him.

The simple fact is chad had no ability to carry out a fight plan so no one can judge how a fit chad copes with a fit Andre without it being nothing more than pure speculation. Only a fight with a fit chad reveals those answers.

Anyone who claims otherwise is being intellectually DISHONEST!
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Chad Dawson was #1 in the WORLD at 175. so he loses 7 pounds and he "suddenly" turns into a guy thats worse than Brian MaGee in boxing ability?
Amazing we have so many people that need excuse for everything that happens in life. The best 175 pound guy in the world got his ass kicked by the best 168 pound guy in the world. end of thread.

bballchump11 · Sep 9, 2012

good thread and you're right. I've tried training while drained or a lack of food from dieting and I was no where near as bad as Chad probably was.

PH|LLA said: ↑

funny i wonder if you apply the same logic to Corrales against PBF
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you mean the guy that was still in the division 2 years later and won a title. You're a good poster most the time until you mention Pac or Floyd at

Hotsauce · Sep 9, 2012

bballchump11 said: ↑

good thread and you're right. I've tried training while drained or a lack of food from dieting and I was no where near as bad as Chad probably was.

you mean the guy that was still in the division 2 years later and won a title. You're a good poster most the time until you mention Pac or Floyd at
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i guess he don't know **** about boxing

bladerunner · Sep 9, 2012

bballchump11 said: ↑

you mean the guy that was still in the division 2 years later and won a title. You're a good poster most the time until you mention Pac or Floyd at
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That guy is the same guy that failed to make weight by two pounds and had to go to the sauna to drain those two pounds off, if thats not a weight drained fighter then i dont who is.

ripcity · Sep 9, 2012

Looking at the way Dawson preformed. Which was acatuly pretty good despite only winning 2 rounds and being completly out classed from the 6th round on. I don't think the weight made a diffrance in the end result.

Bazooka · Sep 9, 2012

Capitan said: ↑

Does your logic hold the same regarding the Cotto Pacquiao fight?
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No it doesnt and here is the reason why, Cotto and Manny fought in the same division against each other, Cotto came down 2 pounds to face Pacquiao in the very division that Both were currently fighting at.

While Dawson requested a 170 catch weight was denied and had to come down not just from 175, biggest misconception!!! Dawson comes down to make 175, for the Ward fight he had to come down an additional 7 pounds an entire weight class, so did Cotto have to go through the same?:think So then why you acting like a little ***** about it? Cotto only took off two pounds while Dawson moved down an entire division.:deal

willcross · Sep 9, 2012

So I guess Ward should have moved up to 175 so HE would have the built in excuse in case he lost?

qwert · Sep 9, 2012

Dawson was a zombie last night. Look at him at 175, he doesn't have excessive body mass, he obviously has to cut weight to make 175. And then he's cutting another 7 pounds off? He was an idiot for taking this fight at 168.

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