It's disrespectful to boxing to have lomachenko ranked higher than P4P #8. TRUE P4P LIST INSIDE!

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  1. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    let's address the elephant in the room. The hype for this guy lomachenko has to stop already. Clown ass teddy atlas has this dude ranked #1 pound for pound and that's a disgrace to the sport and he lost any respect I had for him for doing that.


    Regardless of who you believe is 1-7 and the order, there are 7 (possibly 8) fighters who's resume are CLEARLY BETTER then lomochenkos. Regardless of what you hate and what you love. Before I get into my list I want to make one thing clear..... LOMOCHENKO F***ING LOST ALREADY AND DIDNT EVEN AVENGE HIS LOSS!!!!!! You can't be pound for pound with that type of situation happening in your boxing career. Debatable or not, it WAS A LOSS ON HIS RESUME!!! UNAVENGED!

    Here's my list

    1. Ward
    - IS UNDEFEATED! And has been beating top guys for the past decade since the super 6 where he wasn't even favored to beat Kessler and he did. No disrespect to bud but nobody is near ward. Lomos best win wouldn't even rank in wards top 5 wins

    2. Crawford
    - IS UNDISPUTED AND UNDEFEATED!!! he's mowed down everyone in his way including guys who were anticipated to beat him like that Russian dude he fought a year ago. Forgetting his name. His recent steak of wins is better then lomochenkos AND it's been way more devastating

    It gets debatable from here but here's my personal list

    3. Errol Spence
    - IS UNDEFEATED!!!! went all the way to the U.K. LITERALLY in the town that kell brook grew up in and beat his ass into submission (in a great fight). This is by far and away a better win then anything lomochenko has and in more dominant fashion (and he's younger than lomo)

    4/5 (interchangeable). Keith Thurman/GGG

    Let's start with Thurman

    Keith Thurman
    - IS UNDEFEATED!!!!! Most recently best 2 of the best in his division in Danny
    Garcia and Shawn Porter in 2 great fights. Two wins better than anything lomo has done up to this point and no losses

    GGG
    IS UNDEFEATED!!!! Beat a very game Danny Jacobs who was at the top at the 160 pound division, he narrowly won but a win is a win. Has been decimating everyone else in the sport for a while now. Another win that's better than anything lomo has done

    6. MIKEY GARCIA
    HES UNFEFEATED!!!!!!!! He recently 12-0'd a guy that people thought would beat him at a heigher weight class. Another win that's better than anything lomo has, not only that but he beat the guy who beat lomo and did it while the guy was closer to his prime and not over the hill.

    7. Sergei Kovalev
    No longer undefeated but say what you want about kovalev, you could make the case that he beat Andre ward in their first match up. The result of 1 changed the out come of two but regardless he's a hell of a fighter and should still be treated as such.

    Right about here is where lomo fits into the p4p picture of you actually are honest and care about boxing. I'd be fine if someone put Roman gonzalez at 8 but he's not on my list personally. With that said...

    8. Lomochenko
    - IS NOT UNDEFEATED!!!! AND HIS SINGLE LOSS IS UNAVENGED!!!! Has some solid wins ( Russell Jr, rusty nic walters) but still hasn't avenged his loss. Shows a lot of promise but potential without action is irrelevant. AMATUER RECORD MEANS NOTHING IN THE PROS!!!!

    9/10 (interchangeable) Canelo & Rigo

    Canelo Alvarez
    - lost to Floyd... no big deal. Still has big wins over trout and lara (although debatable) beating ggg will launch him to anywhere between 3-5. Ggg is big for canelo

    Rigo
    - is undefeated and been mowing down the competition. Since boxing doesn't want to see this man prosper he can't get the fights that necessary to thrive but rumors spreading of a lomo agreement pending could settle rigos p4p positioning.





    What you see above is a proper and honest p4p list

    1-2 should be the same on everyone's list
    3-7 are interchangeable depending on what you like
    8-10 are inter changeable depending on what you like
     
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  2. wifly

    wifly Active Member Full Member

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    As much as I like Spence he is not #3 p4p lol, he isnt even top 10 right now
     
  3. Beremith

    Beremith Active Member Full Member

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    Yup. That's the biggest flaw on this list.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Like I said Spence can be anywhere 3-7. Even if he's at 7 his kell brook win puts him in the mix. He's 3 for me but if you had him as low as 7 I would be fine with it considering that HE IS UNDEFEATED and has one of the best wins in boxing on his resume in 2017.
     
  5. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Honestly, I you respected teddy atlas that's your problem. Imho he deserves no respect at all, he's such a dumbass.
     
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  6. JoffJoff

    JoffJoff Regular Junkie Full Member

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    Must have missed this one. Makes me think you should move LomAchenko up to Mikeys spot at no.6. :D
     
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  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol I'll edit that
     
  8. zeratul

    zeratul Active Member Full Member

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    First, you give fighters too much credit for being undefeated. It shouldn't be the primary factor for p4p lists. Secondly, he didn't defeat Mikey Garcia, be more attentive with names.
     
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  9. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That's the most casual list I've seen.
    Loma is P4P top 3-4 because he did everything whilst adjusting to the pros, breaking records and looking like the best on an H2H level. He's been a history maker.
     
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  10. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    lol I love loma great to watch but atlas having him as #1 and ggg not even top 10 on his lists.. atlas really might be the worse boxing expert I ever seen lol.
     
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  11. S.K

    S.K Active Member banned Full Member

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    Spence at 3 is laughable, absolutely laughable.

    He's literally beaten ONE world class fighter, ONE.

    Stop going on about 'IS UNDEFEATED!!' Its ****ing irrelevant.

    Also the people who have Loma at #1 aren't doing it based on resume, they're doing it based on performances against many world class fighters, he makes world class fighters look like journeymen.
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He lost bro... get over it. People are out there doing just as good work WITHOUT THE LOSS! he's 8 at best. He lost to a dude who's not even totally dominant at his weight class.

    Everyone is adjusting to the pros with every fight. That's not a legit excuse. Every fight presents something new to the situation. That **** means nothing. He LOST!!!


    How many world class fighters has lomo beaten?

    Gary russel Jr hasn't done **** in the sport thus far if we're being real.
    HE LOST TO SALIDO
    Axeman was out a year collecting dust

    He's been highly favored to win his other fights, so who cares how dominant he looks. He did what he was supposed too
     
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  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That's a terrible argument. Copying and pasting what I wrote about it:
    1. Second pro fight

    2. Not adjusted to pros in terms of pacing strategy

    3. 40 low blows. 85 ish of the 115 ish official shots of Salido's were 'body shots'

    4. Low blows set up other punches.

    5. Low blows set up effective aggressiveness.

    6. Was a very close fight. Split decision.

    7. Salido didn't make weight, he rehydrated to 147lbs - looked genuinely as big as a 147lb version of Mayweather.

    8. Loma physically hurt Salido had him almost out in round 12.

    9. Consensus is that Loma would deck him now that he's adjusted. Zhou Shiming had struggles adapting despite being older, Michael Conlan is taking it slow too, Loma knew his adjustment issues and went for it anyway.

    10. Styles make fights. Salido is the ultimate stylistic threat who additionally defends very well to the body - nightmare for Lomachenko. Garcia would get TKO'd by Loma.
     
  14. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All that means nothing to me... excuses are for losers which is exactly what happened to Lomo when he lost to salido

    Lomo is feather fisted. He wouldn't even drop Garcia let alone TKO him.
     
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  15. S.K

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    No chance in this world are them two wins better than lomas wins against Gary Russell Jr and Walters, deluded if you believe so.

    Your also giving absolutely no credit to Loma for fighter for a world title in his third professional bout against an unbeaten fighter who is no doubt top 5 in the world in his weight class (G Russell jr)

    Look at who every other person on your P4P list fought in their 3rd fight, I've not checked any but I will guarantee you they are a bum with more losses than wins!