It's disrespectful to boxing to have lomachenko ranked higher than P4P #8. TRUE P4P LIST INSIDE!

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  1. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    How high did you have Kov on your P4P list before Ward beat him?
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  2. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Your not even taking into account that the ams and pros are different, and like its been stated before me on this thread by someone, hes done what hes done whilst learning...
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lomo gets extra credit for his amy experience but it doesn't matter.

    Dude had 6 undocumented fights before technically being a pro anyways. The main point is at this age he's a full grown adult. Most amys come in as children (like shakur, ward, swift) so they need the time to be built up. They become pros at like 18. Lomo first pro fight was at like 26. He's now 30. I don't wanna hear anything about adjustments

    By the time everyone excluding lomo and rigo were 26 they were at the same level lomo was/is anyways so the lack of fights before is irrelevant. People talk about lomo like he's 22. He's 30.
     
  4. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    So to make it clear, you don't think a fighter regardless of age needs time to adjust to the pro's ??
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if you have like 300 amatuer figts a gold medal and become pro at 26 the "adjustment period" should not be viewed the same as a guy who's coming into boxing at 16-20 years old. As is the case with your average world class boxer.
     
  6. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm a huge fan of Errol Spence but he's not even close to #3 p4p yet.
     
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  7. S.K

    S.K Active Member banned Full Member

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    In your opinion, which is a poor one.
     
  8. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Gary Russell, Sosa, Martinez, Axe Man?

    Wtf you talkin about?
     
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  9. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    He beat someone who was borderline P4P (would've been considered 10th at least if people knew how good titleholder Sosa and Marriaga actually were) in Walters - a fearsome opponent.
    Also, Gary Russell Jr looks like an elite fighter.
    He also achieved boxing history three times:
    1. World title in third pro fight - equalled record
    2. Record for being a 2 weight world champion in just 7 fights
    3. 10 pro fights, 9 world title fights.
    Crawford himself has beaten nobody if we're going there being hypercritical, yet he's towards the top of virtually every list now.
    The loss has been unavenged because Salido has ran away - it was actually going to happen but Salido pulled out with a sore pinky, so you have to be a complete 'homer' to not give Loma his props for trying to make the fight.
    No.1? No. That's Andre Ward. Number 2? I think Loma has an argument, I give it to Crawford though definitely.
     
  10. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's my personal pick...

    He could be 3-7 as I mentioned if you read the entire post.


    1 is a lock
    2 is a lock
    3-7 can all be mixed for me
    8-10 can be mixed also
     
  11. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma/Rigo my personal P4P#1 fighters

    Loma has so many no mas endings they will have to add a new category Win , loss, draw, disqualified, No Mas

    Rigo is begging fighters from his division to fight and not one wants the action. Professional prize fighters with mouths to feed dont want the opportunity to beat the champ.

    Now all the people in your list can get a fight. my guys are so good, fighters are saying why bother its just another L for me and no mas worst case.
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All the accomplishments you mentioned are watered down by the fact he was 26 when he accomplished that feat....

    Most elite professionals by their 3rd pro fight are like 16-20 years old. With that much talent, grabbing an easy belt at 26 really isn't an impressive feat. Neither is 2 weight champ.
     
  13. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    That's why I mentioned two factors:
    1. He was adjusting to the pros. When you're adjusting to the pros, age does not matter. Lomachenko had specialised his style accordingly to what was optimal for the amateurs, and that isn't actually what is optimal for pros. He has only relatively recently showed signs of great adaptation with only residual adjustment issues.
    2. Why is no one expecting it of Michael Conlan? Just imagine if he took on Leo Santa Cruz and beat him in his 4th pro fight? Well Lomachenko bettered that. Zhou Shiming was knocked out by someone in his 10th pro fight. Why weren't we expecting yet another GOAT level amateur to do as well? Oh yeah...point 1 is the reaosn.

    Moreover, Muangsurin has the record - he actually came from being a legendary Muay Thai Boxer, aged 24 by the time he turned pro.
     
  14. SOUTHERMOST

    SOUTHERMOST Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lomo knocking out Garcia what are you smoking why do you think the Garcias's brother are desperately pursuing this fight and Bob is ignoring them you could criticize Bob but is not stupid nobody knows Mickey better than him.
     
  15. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Conman flat out isn't that good...