It's funny how some people here have built up PBF like he's the best fighter ever

Not the best but the best of his era and an ATG.:deal

 

^^ i gotta agree...

 

I think the 130 and the 145 versions are completely different. The 130 version had far far greater punch power v his opponents, had greater speed and mobility, and fought in a different style. Now he relies on defence and infighting whereas he used to fight much more offensively and do much more damage v smaller opponents. We don't know how good the 145 version was as he never fought enough good 147 opponents.

 

I wouldnt exactly say that, you dont have to be so skilled to pull off wins over DLH, Hatton, Gatti, Baldimor I mean those guys have lost to lesser fighters as well.
Floyd looked like he was headed in the right dirrection he had loads of talent but lacked the heart to really go out there and put it to the test.
he is not the best fighter ever not even close, he is a kid with good skills good speed good defense well rounded, but you know he just did not take any fight out there that would put all of those attributes to the test.
So my question is, can we really even say he was that good?

 

Of course you can say he was good, great to be exact. You don't get to be 39-0 5 titles in 5 classes P4P #1 for 3 years P4P top 10 for 10 years and Ring Fighter of the year for 1998 and 2007 if you're not.:deal

 

he has always relied on the defense but the fact that he was fighting men his size allowed him to trade more often... if you watch any of his fights.... floyd would use his defense to set up opprotunities to counter and thats when he would make his opponents pay the worse.. nothing has changed except the size of his opponents
punch power didnt detiorate the copetition just got larger so he had to be more choosey about when to slug and when not to... and because of that choosyness.. we cant see that speed as often

watch his old fights... and watch them objectively

 

I am only pointing out, his win over DLH, well Mosley Hopkins Trinidad, some beleive Strum whitaker and quartey already did that
his win over Hatton, Collazo did that, his win over Baldimor **** a dozen has done that, his win over Judah, Spinks and KT already did that, these are guys that do not have the skill sets that Floyd has, so my point is there is no need to brag about these fights.
My point is simple with all that skill Floyd has not dared to step it up and push them to the limits. yes he had good wins at the lower weights but guys like Castillo and Gatti have also lost to guys with less skill than Floyd.
its not a hate thing its a fact, Floyd is the best fighter well was the best well rounded fighter, but you just cant say how good he is until he is in there with a monster that will drag him through hell. and it is only then that we will see what he is made of and how good he really is.

 

No. He was much better and more effective at 130. While still as technically skilled, he is not as fast, powerful, has a much lower workrate, is much more defensive(though he had very good defense in those days as well), and generally nowhere near as effective. He was also a much better lateral mover, which would help him out more against the elite pressuring types than lying against the ropes looking to counter.

 

he has always relied on the defense but the fact that he was fighting men his size allowed him to trade more often... if you watch any of his fights.... floyd would use his defense to set up opprotunities to counter and thats when he would make his opponents pay the worse.. nothing has changed except the size of his opponents
punch power didnt detiorate the copetition just got larger so he had to be more choosey about when to slug and when not to... and because of that choosyness.. we cant see that speed as often

So doesn't this equate to the 2 versions being different then?? You have stated he fought in a different style, had to adapt as he didn't have the same power v heavier opponents. That means he was in effect a different fighter at 145 than he was at 130. No-one is the same at a higher weight, they are a different fighter as they have to fight differently. Tommy Hearns was a different fighter at cruiser than he was at welter. James Toney is a different fighter at heavyweight than he was at middleweight. Manny Pacquiao is a different fighter at lightweight than he was at super-bantamweight, or flyweight. Floyd was much more destructive at super-feather because pound-for-pound he hit harder v super-feather opponents than he can v 147 opponents, so he approaches fighting in a different way. He does not have the same lightning speed as he carries more weight for strength. He is different now.

 

He hasn't had a monster because there's no one that was on his level for the majority of his career and has beaten 95% of the people he's faced with ease much like a prime RJJ. So why knock PBF for it? I guess you could say Chico was suppose to be that monster since he was undefeated had a bunch of KOs and was the favorite going into the fight but PBF gave him a boxing lesson and TKOed him. BTW Hatton was also undefeated Collazo didn't beat him.

 

Look at Floyd's record. Who is the best opponent he faced? I'd say Castillo (lost the 1st fight v him) or Corrales. Followed by De La Hoya (35), Judah (has lost badly a few times), Genaro Hernandez (had been dominated & stopped by DLH) and Hatton (could not cope at 147- this was evident v Collazo).

His two best wins therefore in my opinion were the 2 excellent performances v Corrales and v Castillo II.

Is this enough to be considered an ATG???????

We must be honest and say no.

Recent ATGs in my opinion are Roy Jones Jr and Pernell Whitaker.
Jones Jr: Toney & Hopkins
Whitaker: Azumah Nelson, Chavez (he won)

When did PBF fight someone this good? A real 50/50 putting it all on the line taking a risk for the glory clash? Never.

He could've fought Tszyu when he jumped up to light-welter. He could be taking on the best at 147 now. But he'd rather fanny around at WrestleMania.

 

Collazo didnt get the official win correct, but many people might beg to differ, Either way, your right I forgot about Chico, However its to my understanding that Chico had to starve himself down in order to get that fight. am I wrong?

 

He's never had to fight 50/50 because he has no peer. He could come out of retirement today and be favored over everyone in the world at 154 and down.:deal
He couldn't have fought Zoo. Zoo was a Showtime fighter and PBF was a HBO fighter. They've only done cross-promotion once for Tyson-Lewis.
You talk about 147 but Margo wouldnt be a better win on his resume than Chico, Zab, Hatton, Oscar, Chavez Hernandez or JLC. Not to mention who's to say Cotto is going to become a ATG or even a HOF boxer he's never won a belt outright only fought for vacant straps you're really reaching now aren't you?

 

You don't have to be so skilled to pull off wins over these guys :huh That a crock of pure bull ****. Then what does that say about Margarito, he has losses to even lesser fighters .. Let take a look at those lesser fighters your talking about.

DLH- Hopkin, shane , felix are lesser fighter :huh these guys are bums ?
Hatton - 0 undefeated

gatti- king soloman , Angel Manfredy , Ivan Robinson,DLH , Mikey Ward all top contenders except maybe ward who was on the back end of his career but gatti beat him 2 out of three also king soloman had only one loss on his resume but never fought again.

baldi - baldi has 7 losses against knowns so you can make a case for him , but even when fighting elites he proved he's tuffer then his resumes leads you to believe

you really go all out, when to try and smear the man.