Its Interesting That Many of ESB's Most Credible Posters had JMM Tonight

Take a look at Pedro Fernandez' column on Ringtalk.com.....

.....in the day or two leading to the fight, he belittled JMM as overrated, and went on to issue a statement that you could bank on a Pac dominant KO victory......

......Fernandez watched the fight with 5 other boxing writers, and every single one of them felt JMM was the deserved winner!

 

.....and that highlighted is exactly what I said the day or two leading to the fight.

I said that JMM would easily outbox Pac. But that easy would'nt mean that it was'nt going to be a physically taxing fight on JMM.
I also said that JMM would have to be 100% mentally alert and focused every second of the way to avoid Pac's bombs.

Except for round 3, JMM did that quite well. Pac hurt him, he had his chance to KO a man who up to that point had dominated him.
....Pac did'nt secure the KO, and JMM went on to do what he had done before he got caught with that big shot.
.....he went on to box the pants off of Manny Pacquiao, but come out on the short end of a political decision!

 

is that yerself in yer avatar, lad ?

 

But if you remember in the 3rd round what caught JMM was a haymaker that Pac threw aimlessly and caught him, so I wouldn't say it is so much that he wasn't alert in that round just a lucky shot that got through.

 

I scored it 114-113 for Marquez. There were two close rounds, I gave one to each fighter.

I made several small bets that Pacquiao would win, so I'm not being biased for JMM.

 

Wow Mirani, you just dont know do you?
.....when each round is over, there is someone appointed from the commision that picks up a card that the judge wrote down his score for that round.
At the end of a fight, there is a total of 12 cards that have been picked up from each judge.

Then when the fight is over, someone appointed by the commision takes these cards and tabulates them on a Master scoresheet.

There is absolutely no way that a judge should be influenced on the picture of an entire fight based on knockdowns.
When its done, its being done biasly and unrightfully.
.....so you are wrong with your statement when you say that Pac hurting JMM swayed those judges.
That just is'nt so, these judges turn in a score after every round, and cant go back and change it.

The reason that the commisions have the scores picked up after every round is so that judges dont go back and change an outcome of a previous round based on what will transpire in a different round.


......and please Mirani, you are for a judge to give Pacquiao points and rounds for being able to take punishment???:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl by that standard, Jeff Lacy deserved the nod vs Joe Calzaghe 12 rounds to 0!:rofl :rofl :nut

I hate to ridicule anyone, I just wish some of you Pac fans would take the time to be more intelligent in the way they reason and post.
Everytime you post Mirani, you're diminishing your knowleadge of how scoring in boxing works.
It seems to me that you dont have a clue!

 

Divac you said yourself no excuses stop crying robbery

 

Wow, the highlighted just further shows just how offbase you are.

You cant win by outboxing?:huh :-(

You win by either two things, you outbox someone or knock your opponent out.

Pac was clearly outboxed, and he did'nt knock JMM out!

I think maybe you should stop Mirani, before I really let go and embarrass the hell out of you here my friend!

You cant secure a win by outboxing? WOW!atsch :-(

 

I haven't been around to post in a few months now, and I cant agree with you more ACB. I had to come on tonight to post my feelings about this fight. I think that it was a VERY easy fight to score, with Lederman dropping the ball in the first and twelth rounds, giving them both to Manny when he did not do enough to win both rounds. In the first, the only punch worth anything was a straight right hand from Marquez that was clearly the most effective punch out of the 18 punches landed by both fighters. Everyone and their mother gave Marquez the 12th round, where he outworked and outlanded Pacquiao. I too had the fight even and on the table going into the twelth round. By justly giving the round to Marquez I had him squeaking out ANOTHER win against Pacquiao. Taking the fight analysis further, Marquez hurt Pacquiao three times to the two times that Pacquiao hurt Marquez (albeit Pacman did knock JMM down once) And finally, Marquez outlanded Pacquioa overall at a much higher connect rate, outlanded him in power punches as well, again with a much better connect rate.

JMM deserved the nod last night. Period.

 

Another tough break last night Divac. Thats twice now homie.

 

I had it 114-113 for JMM, and am clearly unbiased between these two fighters. Close fight but I think JMM won it nontheless

 

I cant be bothered to repeat myself in this thread so Im gonna copy and paste my post from another thread which pretty much sums up what i thought of the fight.

Heres how I saw it:

Clear rounds are: 2,5,6,7,12 were clear rounds for JMM. 3,4,10 & 11 clear for Pac with 3 having a KD score. 1, 7 & 9 were very close rounds, so to be fair I split it, I gave 1 to JMM, 9 to Pac & score 7th even. Overall card looked like this:

Pac-JMM
1) 9-10
2) 9-10
3) 10-8
4) 10-9
5) 9-10
6) 9-10
7) 9-9
9-10
9) 10-9
10) 10-9
11) 10-9
12) 9-10

Total: 113-113

The score was a draw. Now based on those 3 rounds being switched around, taking out the even, any fighter could have gotten it and it would have still been a very close fight. IMO this was more of a draw than their last fight, I scored their first fight 1 point to Pac but this is exactly a draw. As it is, records will have it SD for Pac here and 1st being a draw.

That 115-112 scorecard looks completely plausible if someone gave Pac all the close rounds. Likewise 115-112 to JMM is also completely plausible if someone have all close rounds to JMM. Split the close rounds between them and you get my score.

IMO JMM is a nightmare for Pac to fight. A masterful boxer but with deceivingly fast speed(almost as fast as Pac) and crisp straight punches. The fact that Pac can draw with him is just a testament to his greatness, stylistic nightmare overcomed. Other great fighters like MAB couldnt nearly have as much success. Its simmilar to PBF getting a draw with Hearns or Hearns fighting even with Hagler, both great fighters, one with a stylistic advantage yet equal result.

 

good breakdown

 

114-113 Pac. Could have gone either way, because there were a number of close rounds. You could give the fight to JMM just as easily, but this is not a robbery, by any stretch of the imagination.

Really good fight once again.

 

Pac clearly won rounds 3,4,9,10,11 (so that would make the fight a draw already bcoz of the kd). Plus there is a round that is really close and could have gone other way. Without question it is a draw or a 114-113 win for Pacman.