It's Macho Time (Appreciation)

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  1. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And you know I didnt like Camacho- was always hoping someone would shut him up. But as much as i wasnt a fan a prime Camacho was indeed a very special boxer with blazing speed in both Hand and foot and a southpaw style.
    Speed is power as well. Arguello hit light years harder then Camacho or Chavez and yet couldnt drop or hurt Ramirez at anytime in their bout.
    Camacho dropped Ramirez because of the SPEED.
     
  2. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True but as we know styles make fights. Camacho shut out Ramirez and Ramirez was hell for Rosario. Yet Rosario almost beat Camacho.

    Rosario had significantly better one punch power than Chavez. In his absolute prime Camacho was not hit with combinations. Rosario stunned him with single shots. Chavez would have to trap him against the ropes and in the corners and rain shots on him. He was able to do this in 92 when Camachos hand and foot speed was diminished. It would have been a different proposition in 86 or 87. Even if Camacho was a bit gun-shy, he still had incredible speed. My guess is that a gunshy Camacho loses a competitive decision.

    The 85 version of Camacho probably out points even the 87 version of Chavez as Julio can't hurt him with single shots and Camacho could control the action from the center of the ring.
     
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  3. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And thats what I see- Chavez doesnt have one punch power to hurt Camacho and at the same time Camacho has the legs to avoid getting pinned on the ropes.
     
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    Two careers .. before and after Rosario. Going in he had potential to be an all time great at 130 and maybe even 135 but man did Rosario change his game .. Hector was never, ever the same fighter after this fight ..

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  5. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    That was certainly part of it. I think the fact that he was partying and possibly doing Cocaine or whatever played a role as well. We lost many athletes to that. Aaron Pryor fell off a cliff, even Ray Leonard got lost for awhile, Hector was never able to regain his top form.
     
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    It was not just his form, it was his fighting style .. he never wanted anything like that ever again ..
     
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  7. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Most of the fighters he faced were not as dangerous or powerful as Edwin Rosario. Against guys like Paz, Baltazar, Mancini, Haugen. Those guys didn't present the same element of danger. Perhaps its a combination of the two.
    Living a lifestyle like Hector did, you start taking your talent for granted. He could get by on it most of the time. Start doing just enough to get by, then just enough not to get by.
    I don't disagree that the Rosario bout played a role and maybe triggered his decline.
     
  8. Seamus

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    Except that an old Chavez had him within seconds of a stoppage.

    Julio never tried to be a one-punch guy but his amazingly consistent lead right and hammering left to the body took their toll and made a mess of his opponents... Macho included.
     
  9. Seamus

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    I would say that Mutt partied just as hard. But I guess he was also more talented.
     
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Its hard to say because Chavez was the greater more consistent fighter. Hector's peak he burned bright. Judging both on their very best form I could see a pretty decent arguement for Camacho. He could have taken what Meldrick Taylor did and improved on it. He was as fast but quicker feet and a better punch. Hector Camacho for all his flash had a better Ring IQ than Taylor could ever dream of.
    Get off first and vacate the area. Don't wait for Julio's receipt.
    So yes Camacho may have beaten Chavez. Just like JCC may have beaten Pea at '35.
    PS nobody was more talent than Macho
     
  11. Tramell

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    With a different mindset he'd just be Hector Camacho.
     
  12. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    That crazy ass mindset...made him mas macho!
     
  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    One thing we can all agree on is that if you had a mullet Hector was gonna beat your ass.
     
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  15. ETM

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    What time is it?