It's No Win Situation For The HayeMaker In Fighting Valuev

Agree.

 

He was getting pwaned at the negotiating table with the Klits so it makes sense to me to pick up the WBA strap before doing business with them.

 

He gets the WBA title and that would attract the Klitschkos more. A win over Valuev would also make possible fights with either Wladimir or Vitali bigger.

He hasn't done anything in the heavyweight division for it to be a no win situation, anything he does there makes things better for him.

 

When Haye was set to fight Wlad, was pretty much stuck with the K bros for 3 fights. 3 FIGHTS just to sign for one fight. (yes, those same tall white guys who cried about DK asking for options...) Now if Haye wins, he has a piece of the pie. Going to Valuez first is actually a good thing for Haye.

 

Naw if Haye can beat Valuev he justifies himself in this HW division imo. I don't think he's fought anyone over 6'5" so this is a pretty big step up no matter how technically unskiled Valuev is. If he happens to knock Nicolay out you can bet the Klitschko's won't be sending him another slave contract next time around.

 

Agreed. At least this is a winable fight for him. If he wins, he can get more at the bargaining table before one of the Klitschkos starches him.

 

you mean from apart from he will actually get paid without having to fight a klit family member in germany for the next 5 fights?

 

You mean how Haye was bleating on and on and on about wanting to fight both of the brothers, was getting in both their faces, had a picture done where he was holding up both their severed heads... then had a contract put in front of him where he had to fight both of them?

He got exactly what he pretended he wanted. Then he cried about it.

Haye fans or apologists want to have it both ways. They want to claim that Haye really, really was desperate to fight both of them. Yet they want to claim that a contract to fight both of them was unfair.

If Haye was really keen (and he didn't just act keen, he was extremely offensive in his efforts to force the issue) then the contract was exactly what he asked for.

So that tells us two things.
1) Haye is a dick who contradicts himself
2) Haye's fans will believe anything.

 

All that means nothing in the big picture. Just noise for the backstory. The T shirts...the interviews. Just part of the circus. Sure it makes him look like a *****. Actually HE makes himself look like a *****. But this is boxing and there's always one or two to spare.

Haye, big mouth or not, had to go into a "Don King" like agreement if he wanted to get one fight. We all know that's bull****. And even the K Bros thought it was since they whined and cried abot them when Don King tried to make fights with them for his fighters belts. Bull**** on one side is bull**** on thew other. I've never liked having "strings attached" to a title fight. But I am smart enought to see why some promoters do it. Protect the investment. The K bros, having been in this situation, surprised me with that.

Anyway, now he'll have a belt (assuming he wins) to help negotiations NOT be so one sided. And lets be honest here, the K bros don't really have many more viable opponents.

 

So you do see the problem here.

Haye loudly asked for something. He got it. Then he complained about getting it.

If he had acted differently the contract would have looked unfair. But if he had acted differently he would have been offered a different contract.

Which means that the contract was fair. More than fair, it was kinda poetic. It said, in a way that no other lesson could: "Be careful what you wish for David, cause you may just get it."

Let's say that Khan mouthed off and off about wanting to fight Pacman, Mosley and Cotto. Let's say he goes on and on about it. Let's say he shows up at these fighter's other events, gets in their faces, makes a media circus, he acts like a total dick.
Then (by some promoting miracle) he gets a contract handed to him that gives him those fights. He gets what he wanted.

Is that contract unfair? Nope. Actually it would be one of the best contracts anyone could hope to get around that weight. Similar to how a contract to fight both Klits is an amazing offer.

Put it in perspective. Haye's contract was not unfair, because it gave him what he asked for. If he hadn't asked for it then it would have been unfair.

 

Are you sure? I thought it was for the next 20 fights.

 

:happy

 

The main problem with the argument that getting the WBA belt will help him negotiate is that if he wins, then he'll be under Kings control and King will not let his fighers near the K bro's. He'll be locked in with King for 3-5 fights based on King's Options, you will not see Haye fight the bro's, u'll see him fight alot of recycled King lacky's, Will be Ruiz, Golota, etc.

 

that 3 fight deal is what Haye wanted as well. dont forget that:deal

"British heavyweight boxer David Haye could fight both Klitschko brothers as part of a sensational two-for-one contract being thrashed out by lawyers. Speaking to Setanta Sports News Haye admitted that the two-for-one contract was “being talked about”. He said:

“To be number one in the world, to be the undisputed champion, I feel I’ve got to beat both of them anyway. That’s not a problem. I want to fight both of them. It’s down to the lawyers now.”


it became 3 due to a rematch if Wlad lost which we all know is very common in a voluntary title defense