It's Pacquiao Vs Marquez! Official!!!

Well you always wanted to look the otherway.

Didn't you read what was posted? :-(

There was a press release that Pac will fight Diaz after the JMM declaration . . . that was a press release which was proven not true so why are you taking that as refference?

What I'm saying are the press releases prior to JMM's declaration. Like it or not, admit it or not those press releases about Valero, Juan Diaz or David Diaz being the possible opponent pressured JMM to accept the pay cut.

No other reason . . . and it only shows who's desperate.

That's the ploy I'm talking about.

Here for further refference:

Now let's not end up here . . . by you saying you're not interested in my explanation anyway.

Don't antagonize the emoticons to shy away from the real issue.

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kg0280,

Bottom line is that there will be PACMAN vs JMM2 by march next year period. More important thing is for you together with the pac haters is that wether you will give credit to pacman if he wins? If despite the win you would not give credit at LEAST AS EARLY AS NOW WE KNOW WHERE YOU STAND?!

It would be soooooooooo ironic that JMM fans is practically BEGGING that PACMAN should fight JMM coz JMM is the undisputed 130lbs champ correct?! NOW if HE LOSES!

PLS DON'T GIVE THE CRAP THAT JMM is OVER THE HILL and he is PAST HIS PRIME ETC..... In the first place you wanted this fight soooooooo much right?!!

If JMM wins especially by UD or KO, NO problem PACMAN lost to a better fighter. NOW, if PACMAN WINS WHAT WOULD YOU and the rest of pac haters would SAY?!!!!

 

You keep referencing all these other press releases, but ignoring other ones because they support your theory. How easy it is to pick and choose. Not to mention, you never mentioned them originally, but insinuated that the press releases saying he was fighting Diaz just the day before were a good ploy, not the press releases from weeks ago.

You keep referring to me wanting to look the other way. Why, because I won't agree with your ramblings on who Pacquiao should be fighting and your pathetic defense (and more speculation) of David Diaz as a viable option? No one but a few Pacfans agreed with you. It's called reality instead of making things up.

Lastly, a ploy makes no logical sense to begin with. Pacquiao walked away from the negotiating table years ago when he wasn't as big as he is now based on JMM asking for too much. This let JMM know that Pacquiao would only fight him on his terms to begin with, so if JMM wanted the fight, he would have to agree to certain terms. It set a pretty strong precedent. JMM knew this could happen this time, so there was no need for a ploy to begin with. Pacquiao and Arum know this. It would be redundant. No, Pacquiao was actually weighing other options, not trying to lure JMM to accept any terms. JMM already knew Pacquiao was capable of walking away.....

 

Wow....first, at least get my name right. It's very easy to do.

For your reference in the future. My quote from the first page of this thread.

Here's another for you.

So what are you on about again? You see me arguing with someone who is a fellow Pacquiao fan and you don't even bother to find out about what. I criticized Pacquiao for thinking of David Diaz who was the least of the 4 fighters on the slate. I am not a JMM fan, nor have I ever been.

 

Cut the crap buddy.

The point is I have been calling those press releases a ploy long before JMM made a declaration. That is what it is.

If you'll check my past posts I always says I'm confident that this fight will happen despite all these bull**** talks.

That's not a theory . . . that's fact.

Now you stop your rambling and just live with it. I understand that you haters got humilated by calling Pac names based on press releases which came out as mere hypes . . . and I can understand why you are agitated. :yep

 

You can call them what you like. What YOU say has little to do with what's actually going on. What would be the point of the ploy? Pacquaio held all the negotiating power to begin with. I think it's you who needs to cut the crap. But hey, think whatever you need to to help you feel smart and in the know.

 

What's actually going on? :rofl

You still refuse to accept the truth . . . few months ago . . . it's a very different scenario. Now after all these bull**** press releases JMM suddenly gave in . . . what is it like?

If that's not a ploy by team Pac . . . maybe JMM and his team gave in because of prayers.

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It's the truth because you have deemed it so? But going back even further, as I said, Pacquiao had already shown JMM that he was capable of walking away from the negotiating table if his demands were not met or if he felt JMM was overpricing himself. That already sent the message to JMM that if he truly wanted this fight, he would have to make concessions. Your ploy theory is simply speculation. You have failed to answer my question two times now. What would be the purpose of this ploy considering the previous situation AND that Pacquiao held the negotiating power.

 

Yeah speculation according to you. :happy

Well it's either your not using your head or you're really dumb . . . or is this a trick so so can say I'm speculating again?

Anyway . . . I'll just pretend you don't know **** and explain what I'm saying.

Negotiation goes with GBP and TOP RANK not between TOP RANK or Pac straight to JMM. And since JMM is a GBP fighter GBP will ensure they'll get most out of the fight. Even if JMM agrees, GBP still have tyo make the final negotiation. So what team Pac did is to make it appear that he's going up in weight to fight the 135 lbers or some other fighters. Pac has the reserved date on March 15 with HBO not JMM or GBP.

Results? GBP lost their bargaining chips on the table and JMM was forced to accept the conditions.

That's the ploy I'm talking about. :yep

 

You don't know what went on between GBP and Top Rank or when it did. That was the whole point in the first place. You have no clue when the offer was made from GBP to Top Rank. Thus, you are speculating. You are taking your theory and fitting other facts into it instead of the other way around. GBP may have agreed with Top Rank's demands right after the JMM-Juarez fight, and Pacquiaos team explored more options. You don't know...that's the point. It looks to me that you are simply trying to make an excuse for Pacquiao considering David Diaz. Trying to play it off as a ploy instead of what it really was.

And you still haven't answered my question. What was the point of the ploy giving the circumstances and the prior history of Pacquiao walking away? Your theory is sensless.

 

What's the point of the ploy? Damn now I believe your dumb. Seems like your posting with out reading the responses.

The ploy is to remove JMM's and GBP's bargaining chips on the table. Read that again if you know how to read.

Now check this out :

And you're saying that I only said that ploy a day ago? Making excuses for picking David Diaz?

Check the date and time of posting. HERE'S THE LINK:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=788175#post788175

Who's speculating now? :yep

 

BTW, before this goes any further, let me point out how desperate this looks on your part. I (and Divac) point out to you that JMM made the comments before the Diaz speculation of a signed fight was made, thus making your theory of a ploy useless, and you counter basically saying that "It has to go through the promoters" so GBP folded under pressure after the press releases, and that's the reason for the press release now saying their fight is on.

One, GBP and JMM never had any negotiating power. Pacquiao always was the draw and had more options.

Two, the report says this:

Obviously JMM is responding back and forth THROUGH the promoters. That is painfully easy to see. Unless you are foolish enough to believe that the back and forth over the demands are actual phone calls between Pacquiao and Marquez themselves! Stop being so desperate.

 

You can't read well. Who cares about what you thought and when. I am talking about whether it was ACTUALLY a ploy or not, not whether you think it is or when you thought it was.

Read your own post that you just quoted. It has nothing to do with the David Diaz fight being signed as a ploy. You are referring to the negotiations, which has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Keep up: We are discussing whether or not the David Diaz "signed fight" was a ploy or not. What you just quoted happened BEFORE that fight was leaked as signed, and therefore has nothing to do with this. Unless you are trying to cover up your real motive as I pointed out, which is to save Pacquiao face for considering Diaz in the first place. If that's the case, I take THAT back.

As I said earlier, GBP never had any bargaining power in this fight. Your ploy theory holds no water based on past situations and there outcomes.

 

Nah nah nah :nono I won't even read your craps anymore boii . . . you keep running in circles and wasting my time.

And who's desperate?

For the records this is the second time you came in here and question my post . . . trying to find flaws in my arguement. If you think I'm like the other Pac huggers . . . you're completely mistaken. Who's desperate? I know what I'm talking about and I'm consistent. The fact is I don't care if Pac's ass get beaten black and blue . . . for as long as I see the fight I want to see.

Now go on and try your craps to somebody else not on me. :yep