Its sae to say if Frazier beats Ali Mike Tyson Knocks Ali Out

Ali was resilient and certainly wouldn't crumble against Mike's bullying...

And we all know what happens to Mike when he can't intimidate his opponents.

 

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Tubbs didnt last 2 rounds. Holmes less than 4, Tucker got totally outboxed.
Buster beat an untrained sloppy version with a joke corner. If they had met a year previous it would have been a quick blast out.

 

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Exactly, it's hard to imagine anybody stopping Ali.

Plus prime Tyson didn't stop all his opponents ether, he was brought to a decision sometimes.

 

This is a correct post.The only great heavyweight Tyson has on his resume as a win is Holmes,who was way past it as proven by his losses to Spinks.

 

:good:goodWell said.Nobody ever stopped Ali,my Celtic brother.The ref stopped the Holmes fight not because Muhammed was out,but because he couldn't defend himself due to his being beyond shot.:good:good

 

This:thumbsup

 

I see prime Tyson as the two sided perfected Joe Frazier. Frazier's left hand wasn't as powerful as tyson's 2 hands and tyson had better footwork. Tyson's Head movement was also like fraziers but better due to the faster feet to get inside faster which also made him better at repositioning himself quicker against lateral moving agile opponents. Even with all these gifts he lacked Fraziers wisdom and hard working mentality which put him under frazier in overall acomplishments.

Prime for Prime I would Take Tyson. Nobody beat tyson with the jab in his prime. He got by those with no problem. Tyson's weakness was fighting backwarks. I don't feel Ali could fight in a way to keep tyson from coming forward. Fighting tyson you have to make him fight backwards or atleast stand your ground. You cannot let him come forward.

 

On a video game maybe. Mike Tyson didn't put pressure on fighters like Joe Frazier did and Tyson didn't have the same ability to take punches the way Joe Frazier did.

Tyson liked to hit from range, Joe Frazier liked to put his head on his opponents, work body shots, short rights, uppercuts, get the opponent to swing and throw the left hook as a counter. The fact that he's so well known for his left hook has led to this myth that he was a one hand puncher. He used the left hook because it was the closest hand in his stance to his opponent, thus making it the best choice for a counter punch.

Evander Holyfield rendered Tyson's power useless by smothering him, what did Joe Frazier do? Smothered opponents.

 

It´s easy to make oversimplified claims like in the title thread. You could just as well say:

If Tony Tucker could go the distance with Tyson, Ali would do so too and beat him on points or if Tyrell Biggs etc. were able to outbox Tyson for a few rounds, Ali could do it for 12. If Buster Douglas could KO Tyson, Ali would KO him too.

Or you could go: If Henry Cooper could just about KO Ali, then Lewis, Tyson, Wlad, Holyfield, Haye etc. would too

It doesn´t mean all that much when you think about it.

 

I wouldn't term a 3 second flash knockdown an "almost KO". Personally.

 

We just gonna disagree then. Tyson hit at range as well as inside with a brutal combination of hard, speedy hooks to the head and body. When you look at what they do it looks pretty much the same but tyson is more explosive with his. Tyson's head movement was also faster than frasier's on his way in. I feel tyson was bought up to be a more complete frazier IMHO.

One thing we can agree on is Evander using tyson's weakness against him. You say smothered while I say made him move backwards which is almost the same thing. Still it's all about not letting tyson come forward. Holyfield made tyson fight backwards or risk being headbutted if Tyson stood his ground. Same Technique ward did to kessler by making him fight going backwards who is one of many with the same weakness. Still this tyson was only a shell of himself without the head movement he onced used to get in close.


Buster douglas stood his ground and gave more than he got without backing up. Tyson had a good chin and he had to take alot to be knocked out in his day. Douglas is someone everyone knew had the talent but didn't have the discipline in training for most of his career. That night he was mind, body, and soul the day after his mother's death,and put a number on tyson by standing his ground and not letting mike get comfortable moving forward.

Mike was a beast even after the Douglas loss prior to prison. After prison he came out with a do whatever to sell a fight mentality while not being the same fighter he once was.

 

Yeah we are gonna agree to disagree because Tyson did not keep constant pressure on his opponents by smothering them the way Joe Frazier did. Your comment that Tyson was a "two sided" Frazier is way off base my friend, I respectfully disagree, because they had 2 totally different approaches to their attacks.

Remember all of the times Tyson would shift his feet and attempt to get an angle from range to throw his shots? Joe Frazier threw his shots almost all from inside of his opponent's reach especially inside of the later rounds.

Tyson was a range fighter who loaded up on his punches and a lot of times came out of his stance and would square up to throw his shots. Frazier used the bob and weave to get inside a fighters reach, when inside the reach he would pick them apart with short body shots, right uppercuts, short rights, and of course the counter left hook. Go back and study some of Frazier's fights closer my friend. Two totally different fighters.


Great points on Buster and Holyfield, and Holyfield said his game plan was to stay inside of Tyson's range because he felt Tyson didn't have the same power when he was inside of his range. I just disagree on the "two sided Frazier" comment my friend.