It's time to give the Klitschko Brothers their just due

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  1. Beau Geste

    Beau Geste Active Member Full Member

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    There is no question they are dominating the heavyweight division.

    Vitali's successful comeback after 4 years is unprecedented. Wlad's consistency over the past several years against top heavies is outstanding.

    The current era of heavyweights is as good as any prior era with perhaps the exception of the early 1970s.

    Does any one believe the quality of top heavyweights when Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano, or Joe Louis reigned was any better?

    However, since the division is no longer dominated by Americans, some people try to disparage the quality of fighters.

    It is time to give both Wlad and Vitali credit for being great boxers and great ambassadors for the sport of boxing.
     
  2. clyde

    clyde Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :nono
     
  3. Beau Geste

    Beau Geste Active Member Full Member

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    Name an era that was better and provide the objective reasoning to support it.
     
  4. Bazooka

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    I will never give them their due until them cry babies stop accusing Lennox of Ducking Vitali, until the fans stop saying Lewis retired to avoid a rematch etc...
    so until then **** the Klitschkos
     
  5. doom bull

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    I love watching the Klit brothers fight...even if it is on delay or @ 4:30 on a Saturday afternoon.
     
  6. Beau Geste

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    Lennox did retire after a life and death struggle with Vitali. One he was fortunate to win because of the cut. So it seems clear he retired because he did not want to fight Vitali again.

    That said, what about all their accomplishments I have outlined in my original note?
     
  7. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed.

    Foreman's comeback was "more precedent", so on that a bit of disagreement.
    Wlad is kicking ass and taking names, so we agree there.

    No no no. The current era sucks beyond belief. You have b-level guys from the 90's as top level guys today. They are in thier 40's! A clear indicator that this rea is very weak. When guys who could not quite cut in in the past era are cuting it now.

    Indeed we do. But having a weak era does not mean the guys at the top are weak too, as you just pointed out. I believe that the Klitschkos are in a weak era, and they are still very good fighters. It's not mutually exclusive. Of course, being in a strong era just gives fighters better opportunity to test themselves.

    I don't give a darn about where the fighter is from. A good fighter is a good fighter. My favorite heavyweight was Lennox Lewis, not an American. If the heavyweight fighters around today were any good, I would applaud them no matter where they come from, what language they speak, what color they are, what religion, sexual preference, etc. The simple fact is that aside form the Klitschkos (and maybe Haye we don't know much on his heavyweight career yet) they are all pretty suckish. Many of them are old, a lot of them are out of shape, and none of them are very skilled.

    I agree.
     
  8. wingchung

    wingchung Active Member Full Member

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    well said. they are classey and damn good fighters.
     
  9. Beau Geste

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    Thanks for the comprehensive response.

    Regarding the quality of eras we do disagree.

    Take a look at the Ring Top 10 heavyweights from 1982, 1997, 1955, 1941, or 1989, as examples, and compare them to the top 10 today. How can anyone claim those fighters were so much better than todays crop?
    Look at records, quality of skill, actual fight performances, or any other measure and there is very little difference.



     
  10. doom bull

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    Heavyweight boxers have become too big and/or clumsy. The Klits are the only big heavys that are the exception to this. Look at Chris Arreola....most would consider him top 10 and he just looks like some big, flabby cholo. If there was a 235 lb limit or something along those lines, I think the division would be better.
     
  11. Predicto

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    I give them both tonnes of credit... no problems there.

    But, you gotta admit they've been on one hell of a bad run for BORING FIGHTS!!!

    Aside from a few good moments vs Sanders... you could argue that Vitali has'nt brought much excitement to the game since knocking out Kirk Johnson... in 2003!!!

    And, since the nice KO's over Byrd and Brock (in 2006!) Wlad has been involved in six of the most boring heavyweight championship fights in boxing history!

    I know,,, it's not ALL their fault etc... But still,,, How much patience are we supposed to have with these guys?

    We want to be ENTERTAINED a little bit from time to time damm it!!!
     
  12. jdroy1986

    jdroy1986 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vitali has only had a few boring fights. How can a guy with the highest KO% be boring? But I'll admit now that he's older he's starting to show his age. Maybe Vitali and Lennox are friends now b/c in Vitali's last two fights Lennox has been in his introductions. What do y'all think?!?!
     
  13. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some one's been having a little to much eggnog.
     
  14. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

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    I agree with you. Not only did Louis and Marciano have weak eras, most of the heavyweights they fought were small guys. Not only do I agree, but I will actually take it a step further. I don't think there are too many heavyweight in history that could deal with the size and SKILL of the Klitschko brothers. I think someone with incredible handspeed like a prime Ali may do alright for himself, but Marciano? What about Joe Louis? Hey I like Joe Louis very much, but he is a bit overrated. I'm not talking about accomplishments here. I'm talking about head-to-head, fist-to-fist. Joe Louis would be embarrassed by Muhammad Ali. I also think the same can be said about Lennox Lewis. He was a super talented big guy. His chin is really the only knock on the guy, but he really learned how yo protect it. Anyway, the Klitschko's are pretty amazing. Maybe one day more people will see that.
     
  15. Beau Geste

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    You are right, head to head the Klitschko's beat most if not all former champions. They are too big, skilled, and athletic, by comparison.