It's weird how its become a foregone conclusion that Abraham would have won by KO

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  1. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    I did say I wasn't totally sure, but from fights such as Tua/Rahman, Maskaev/Rahman2, Abraham/Taylor, Bell/Mormeck, etc. you can pretty much tell when a guy might be on the verge of KO, and Dirrell fit the bill perfectly. He started slipping an awful lot in the late rounds which tells me he was getting wobbly legs. Quit making this **** a race war and see boxing for what it really is.
     
  2. kirk

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    Just IMO

    I really do think that AA was fastly imposing himself on Dirrell, and that had Dirrell made it out of round 11, round 12 would have been the longest one of his career. AA was starting to find his target more, and was finding Dirrell in the corner more and more. It would not have suprised me had AA closed the show in style and stopped Dirrell in all honesty.

    That being said, it didnt happen, and Dirrell won.... and also the fact that Dirrell put on a masterclass boxing clinic for the majority of the fight should also be noted.

    - Excellent counter crosses, excellent counter southpaw jabs over AA's own jab, great use of distance, excellent speed, nice combos, great uppercuts (showing intelligent punch selection, along with his overlooked strategy of punching around aa's guard), improved footwork, nice ring generalship (along with masterful switches from orthodox to southpaw), good defence (though he still needs to work on that backing up with chin exposed, he can do that against AA because aa is very much a shorter, less rangier fighter, he does that enough against guys his own size in the future and he may find himself on the canvas)

    Dirrell showed great skills and good poise in there for the first half of the fight, and nothing should be taken from that, but it doesnt decide what would have happened in that last 4 or 5 minutes.

    Despite opinions, nobody knows how the fight would have played out, but AA was indeed making it very, very rough in there and we all know how one round can make all the difference in the world sometimes, and with a puncher like AA, and someone who is starting to get hit more, finding themselves in the corner, and getting tired out, whos to say.

    I for one am of the opinion that its fair to think that Dirrell WOULD have gotten knocked out late. Though to claim it as if there was no doubt it would happen? hardly... i think its about 50/50 on what would have happened, IMO.

    Citing the round score as to show how dirrell was doing in the fight, really doesnt mean anything. AA took the first half of the fight off, like he always does. To cite 'dirrell was up 8 rounds to 2'' is meaningless, it has nothing to do with what was going to happen for the next round and a half.

    The momentum was fastly changing in that fight, and it was one of those moments where one fighter is coming on stronger, and one fighter was at the same time, starting to fade.

    Anyone not being biased imo can see that Dirrell was starting to wilt under AA's pressure, and was also becoming tired. You mix that in with AA's one punch power, the pressure he was going to be putting on in the next 4 minutes, Dirrells weaker legs, and the fact that Dirrell was being cought more and more in the corner, its a very fair assesment IMO that AA would have closed the show in usual AA style had he not fouled out.

    Then again, i find it very realistic as well that Dirrell could have survived the 11th, cought a breather and run the 12th to survive and capture the well deserved decision.

    I think its pretty much 50/50 on what would have happened.
     
  3. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    Well said, kirk. I thought I said pretty much the same thing, but TooShitty and the like twist my posts around and point the hater finger and pull a race-card. Abraham WAS coming on VERY strong and Dirrell was fading quite a bit. Sure, maybe Dirrell could have survived the last two, but I've seen enough boxing to know that Abraham sure seemed to have a good chance to KO him.
     
  4. HitMAn76

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    I agree to this.
    I have previously criticized Dirrell for running too much, but in this fight he really showed what he is made of and proved his superior boxing skills. AA was clearly outboxed up till the 8th round, those rounds was a masterpiece by Dirrell. But then AA caught Direll with a shot and he got KD and the ref called it a slip. I think Dirrell would have been better off taking a standing 8 count, coz after that I thought it was looking like the beginning of the end for him. Watching the fight I thought AA would get a late KO, but the DQ was correct and I think its pretty obvious how hurt Dirrell was from the foul.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    From what I saw, Dirrel was tiring, but he was'nt at tha point that he was so tired he was going to get stopped.

    Imo Dirrel would have lasted the last 2 rounds and comfortably won the fight.

    Whats got to be remembered here is that Abraham was closing the distance from him to Dirrel, but he was also doing so while being reckless and very desperate, a Dirrel KO in the last minutes was just as likely as an Abraham KO.

    I was'nt suprised that Abraham was complaining about why he was disqualified afterward.......but C'mon, to not take fault for hitting Dirrel after Abraham was shown on video that Dirrel was clearly down when he cold cocked him is ridiculous.......

    ......and then when Abraham started his rant that Dirrel put on an act was beyond classless.:-(
     
  6. Ashstrodamus

    Ashstrodamus Rodney Dangerfield of ESB Full Member

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    Many good points there. I still have the opinion that Dirrell faked it, but hey, maybe it was a delayed reaction, which has happened many times before. The Darchinyan fight where he put that guy in the hospital is a prime example of delayed head trauma. Wasn't that Burgos?
     
  7. gungfu

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    50-50?

    You forgot to add, 'I'll be here all week; try the veal'.
     
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I recorded the fight and just saw the ending a couple of times.
    The punch landed right on the side of Dirells jaw.

    The Showtime broadcast had several angles of the KO shot, and I'm telling you with absolute certainty, the punch landed square and hard.

    I'm looking at Dirrels eye's right before the punch lands to see if his body was giving any indication that he saw the punch coming and was bracing for it.......and no, Dirrel had no clue that Abraham was winding up to throw that shot, which made it even more devestating to the brain.
    Dirrel got blindsidedly cold cocked, and its really that simple.

    ......Dirrel certainly did not fake it, when Al Cole instructs the doctor to come in, the doctor goes to Dirrel and actually takes his light and with his fingers opens his Dirrel's eyes and flashes his beam on both of them, no reaction from Dirrel......had Dirrel been faking it, he most certainly would have reacted to the beam of light going directly into his pupil from really up close with that beam.

    ......then afterward, when Dirrel is up, he's crying and confused saying, "I got knocked out!".......and his corner trying to explain to him, that he had won.

    I'm convinced that Dirrel while he was in the ring still, did'nt know exactly what had happend to him......afterall he had just awoken from having been KO'd from a blindsided shot.
     
  9. Lunny

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    Agreed it was a ***** move and AA deserved what he got but I think he was going to KO Direll. Just seemed like it was heading that way to me, in the last couple of rounds he'd started to put him under pressure and got him a couple of times. The ref didn't allow what may have been a KD and bailed Direll out of the corner at one point.

    That said Direll boxed beautifully on the night and fully deserevd the win.
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you're talking about the shot that Dirrel trips over Abraham's foot, Dirrel sprung right up from that shot.
    Abraham goes on to apply good effective pressure the remainder of that 10th round, but Dirrel at no point is looking like he's on unsteady legs......

    .....and in fact in the 11th when the DQ came, Dirrel had won the round up to that point........so we cant say Abraham was starting to hammer him, he was losing the round.
     
  11. Lunny

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    To be honest where I was watching it it was pretty laggy so some of AA's work may have impressed me more than it should have. I thought there was some promise when he had him in the corner and there was some contact before the trip. I'll need to rewatch a lot of the fight though.
     
  12. Ilesey

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    The pressure was telling but Abraham was also taking gulps of air. He looked lethargic when he had Dirrell pinned on the ropes so in my opinion he wouldn't have found that punch.
     
  13. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with Divac on this. Dirrell was winning th 11th and didn't seem tired and was boxing well. The 10th round seems to have left an impression on people making them believe that AA was coming on. To me the tenth looked like a desperate fighter going all out and despite that Dirrell was slipping and blocking many of the punches. Dirrell was not hurt and wasn't tired and was winning the round and the fight.
     
  14. kirk

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    There had hardly been over 60 seconds of anything in the 11th... i think its a bit much to put a lot of stock in that dirrell was 'winning' that, which consisted entirely of him staying away from AA and peppering him with a few range finding type shots... there was still 2 long minutes left and another three after that, though yes Dirrell did look to have found his composure a bit, again, it was one minute. But i can def agree some (including myself actually) might be looking too deep into round 10.

    I would not mind seeing a rematch, i actually hope these two meet in the finals (wouldnt mind froch getting there eather)

    I want to see Dirrell vs eather AA or Froch in the finals.... would be nice rematches for all involved.
     
  15. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How am I making this a race war, you clown?? Was Dirrell tired? Yes. Was not AA, as well?? Moreover, it is not as if AA was beating Dirrell from pillar to post in the final disputed rounds.

    No one knows for sure what may have transpired, and therefore your opinion is no more valid than mine. Dirrel was winning the fight handily, and I did not see anything to suggest that an AA knockout was imminent. Was it possible? Yes. Imminent? Hardly.