Ivan Calderon v Giovanni Segura

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ishy, Aug 21, 2010.


  1. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    This fight is next week :happy

    I'm not an expert on the lower weightclasses likes some on here are but I know enough to know that this is a quality match up.

    Mexico v Puerto Rico, Boxer v Puncher, Ring Champion v No.1 Contender - all the makings of a great fight

    Now if this was a couple of years ago Calderon would probably **** this 120-108x3, but now Calderon is slowing and Segura is on a decent run.

    Whilst the Mexican can be a wild swinger he does have great power for the weight. Calderon hasn't looked the master boxer who hardly drops a round recently. Mayol, who was meant to be a soft opponent, gave him all sorts of trouble (or rather Mayol's head did).

    The "Iron Boy" is now 35 and in this weight class, with the style he has, that is old. Recently he's looked increasingly vulnerable and hittable (though I have not watched the Iribe fight) and it seems as if it's only a matter of time before someone got to him. Is Segura the man?

    If you're unfamiliar with Segura read this article: http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1645/segura_overachieves_but_still_not_satisfied/

    And then watch his rematch with Canchilla which is on YT :good

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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Iribe was shite and just landed a lucky punch.

    Calderon is getting more defensive as time goes by and focusses on using angles for defence rather than offence which is not a good thing IMO, as it gives his oppponents the chance to start an offence.

    Segura is a quick starter and has a very awkward punching style so may catch Calderon early as Segura would be hell to time for a technical wizard like Calderon. So the first 4 rounds are very much danger rounds for Calderon. After 4-6 rounds Segura will start to slow down especially if he is missing alot and Calderon should run away with the points from then on.

    But the first 4 rounds are the one sthat will be interesting, mainly to see how cautious Calderon will be and how he will deal with the odd angles Segura presents. Segura's slow feet will be a problem but Calderon will exploit that with his use of angles.

    I cant wait.
     
  3. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    :good Top post, I was hoping for you or D-Mac to give us your thoughts on this.
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I reckon you cnuts are only going on about this because it gives you 'forum cred' if you acknowledge the existence of 'little men' ;)
















    Only kidding...should be a good 'un
     
  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Cheers, been deliberating this fight for a while since Flea told me it was signed when I had no idea about it.

    Little men produce better fights than the big men IMO
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    That's what they all say.

    I remember 2 Brit forumites having a right ding dong over 'little men'. Basically some spastic said little men are **** and he didn't care about them. Someone else...maybe slip&counter but I could be wrong went absolutely mental...savagery ensued...it was a bloodbath
     
  7. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm thinking the opposite way to Greg.:lol:

    I'm honestly looking at Segura for the stoppage here.

    He's crude, really crude. And you might think that plays into a skilled Calderon's hands, which it does in a way, but Segura is also relentless.

    Calderon is going to take the **** out of him early doors, but even though he'll be giving away maybe the first four rounds, Segura is gonna be hitting arms, cuffing the back of the head, spanking the hips, hitting anything basically.

    I'm looking at a late Segura stoppage rather than an earlier one. Calderon is good, very good, but I've noticed he loses a bit out of his legs in the last few years as the rounds go on. Once Segura gets him as near as possible to stationary he'll start to land power punches on relevant areas.

    I'm thinking Segura TKO10.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Its true the wee men are the best in my eyes.

    Jung Koo Chang >>>> Muhammed Ali
     
  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    D-MAC interesting take. I just think Segura is the one who will fade before calderon as he has never shown top drawer stamina and will be missing alot. And by the late rounds you'd think Calderon could have figure dhim out abit.
     
  10. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This a wholeheartedly agree with.:good
     
  11. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    May the best man win.

    I just think Segura is not gonna be absorbing that much damage from Calderon, which will make him a viable late threat.

    Also, I love Calderon (no homo), but think he is getting to that point, age-wise, where he is gonna get old overnight and be there for the taking (he's not been as impressive recently). Think it might be in this fight.
     
  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I think Iribe was a nice opponent to test the waters for a segura fight with and I thought he dealt with him very well. although iribe is the class below Segura he is of similar style.
     
  13. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I actually think the two fights with Cazares took a lot out of Calderon, longevity-wise. Think Segura may close the show on Calderon, finishing off what Cazarez started.

    This is mainly a hunch though.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Just watched the Segura vs Tello bout.

    Segura is relentless to start the bout, this is where he is at his most dangerous with those long right hooks and left uppercuts, this is where Calderon has to watch because there is no way Segura can keep that pace for 12 rounds and he has never really won a long-drawn out battle.

    I culd definitly see a stray right hook catch Calderon and send him over.
     
  15. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Won a long drawn out battle? **** sake Greg he has 20 KO's in 24 wins (which is great for that division), most of them early doors. The Tello bout lasted 3 rounds. We can't really gauge his longevity, apart from Canchila I.

    And that could just have been an anomaly, because depsite the dodgy stoppage he was destroying Canchila in their second fight, much more than he was in the first 4 rounds of the initial match-up.