Ivan Dychko pro career mismanagement

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  1. Sphillips

    Sphillips Active Member Full Member

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    That’s a strange comparison.

    Pulev was matched well.
     
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  2. Tigers Only

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    Hopefully he is just using them as a stepping stone, and will sign with a bigger promoter in the future.

    Oleksandr Teslenko for example was with a small promoter in Canada and now he's signed with Di Bella.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I assume he didn't have many options in regards to who he could sign with. Sure he's an Olympic Bronze medalist but so was Wilder and Golota big time promoters were not lining up to sign them up.

    Maybe if he can get a long enough win streak one of the other bigger promoters will snap him up. He might get lost in the noise of all the other heavyweight prospects like Yoka, Dubois, Joyce, Hrgovic etc for a while but if he's any good I'm sure he'll emerge from the plethora of heavyweights as a contender.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I think he means that Harris was deemed good enough an opponent for Pulev in 2015 when 21-1, so why isn't he acceptable for Dychko at 6-0? The reason is that Pulev was rebuilding himself from the loss to Wladimir Klitschko and had fought a more respectable foe in George Arias just a couple of months prior to kick off the comeback trail, and fought Chisora his next time out. In that context a KO1 against Harris was a not too disreputable stay-busy affair. Dychko is supposed to be on an upward bent, however. Pulev was already well established by then and just needed to rack up W's (any kind of W's) to get back into contention.

    For comparison, Pulev in his 7th pro bout fought Danny Batchelder. While not great, a 2010 version of Batchelder at 33yo constitutes vastly superior opposition to a 42 year old Sugar Moe with a thoroughly cracked jaw. Pulev had also by them defeated Page, Skelton and Oloukun (the latter in just his third pro match, not two months removed from debuting!) so yeah, all in all, the bar is set pretty high when you're talking Pulev and Dychko comes up well short of that benchmark in his matchmaking thus far.
     
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What? Everyone has known every move Wilder has made, including every wet fart, since before he turned pro. Dude was showered with attention from the media, then exploited for maximum gain while being cautiously brought along with handlers being mindful of the question marks around his chin. He spent the first half decade of his pro career with GBP and has spent the second half with Al Haymon - neither is exactly a small-fry entity on the Heavyweight Factory tier.

    You're conflating having been protected and supplied a carousel of bums with having not had access to competent professional management. They're not the same thing; in fact virtually all major players have padded-zero guys (some of them actually talented, and some frauds) they keep on a steady diet of baby food as a a savvy, calculated business decision.
     
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  6. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    When did Wilder sign with Goldenboy, he turned pro with Dibella, in the very first year Dibella became a promoter. Wilder's first fight was on a Jermaine Taylor undercard who was signed by Dibella.

    Dibella is still his promoter under the advice of Haymon. So not sure where you're getting the idea he was with Goldenboy. Plus GBP tried to poach him after he beat Ortiz, why would they do that if he was previously signed with them as clearly it didn't work before, why now?
     
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  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    He was with GBP for the first half of his career, look it up.

    edit: wtf, lol, first year DiBella became a promoter?? Lou DiBella promoted Jermain Taylor when he was middleweight champ, before Wilder even took up boxing in the amateurs. :dunno

    LDB was a boxing promoter before Deontay Wilder got pubes.
     
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  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe I'm getting things mixed up I haven't slept for about 30 hours, my mind is all over the place lol.

    I don't really know much about Wilder's early career to be honest I assume you are correct, you usually are. I just didn't hear much of Wilder when he turned pro, just assumed he was with a small out fit.

    So Wilder maybe a bad example, how about Golota did he turn pro with a big time promoter, I know he was with Duva when he fought Bowe, was he snatched by a big time promoter too because again nobody knew much about him before he fought Bowe. I only heard about him a few months before the Bowe fights when he was mentioned in The Ring magazine along with other heavyweight prospects like Tua.
     
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  9. retro_box

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    No, his career is going well, he is facing Maurice Harris next in a slight step up, Activity and level of competition is important.
     
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  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Slight step up??!!

    It is 2018. You seriously think Mo Harris, coming off 3 years of inactivity, and coming off back to back KO1 losses, at 42 years old, is a slight step up from Marrone? :thinking:
     
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  11. Big Ukrainian

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    I agree with everything except of Harris being a step back from Marrone. I think there are about 700-800 heavyweights in the world now who would beat current version of Marrone.You are absolutely right about everything else though.
     
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  12. MarcelCerdan13

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    He should be fight someone like Jonathan Rice at this point.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Marrone is dreadful, but he's a decade younger than Harris and while Marrone has been KO1ed thrice in a row, he at least has been more active than having last been KO1ed (twice) in 2015...

    Prime for prime Harris schools Marrone, no doubt. But dude's 42, has been outta the game for three years, and when last seen was getting knocked loopy at every turn..
     
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  14. Dangerwood84

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    He is managed by Altamura right? I was surprised when I read that. I thought he might even take a fight in Australia. It's very easy to build a world rating in Australia. I hope his stamina is improving from whe I saw him in the olympics.
     
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  15. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And zero useful experience. Actually BAD experience, as he's going to get used to these pushovers, and further develope his bad habits.

    Like Andrew wrote, he's got incredible natural gifts, but his footwork and distance control need serious work. These fights won't do anything to help.
     
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